scent hound, sight hound, herd dog, ratter..

[alsih2o]

has anyone drawn up stats that make distinctions between the different types of dogs?

i have a sighthound that would never bite someone, a bullbaiter that is stupid and friendly and a herding dog and i used to have a bassett (all irl) and i was just thinking of how different they are.

i mean cat is cat, but dogs perform a wildly different assortment of functions.

 

[Vuron]

Well going with a simplified system of the breeds.

Sighthounds- Including the Greyhound, Saluki, Wolfhound, etc but not the Italian Greyhound or Whippet.

Medium Sized Animal
HD: d8 + 2
Initiative: +3
Speed: 60'
AC:15 +2 Natural +3 Dexterity
Attacks: Bite +3
Damage: Bite d6+2
Face/Reach: 5' x 5'/ 5'
Special Qualities: Scent
Saves: Fort +4 Ref +5 Will +1
Abilities: Strength: 15 Dexterity: 17 Constitution: 15 Intelligence: 2 Wisdom: 12 Cha: 6
Skills: Listen +5, Spot +5 , Swim +5, Wilderness Lore +1
Feats: Run

Scenthounds- Probably closest to a foxhound

Small Sized Animal
HD: d8 +2
Initiative: +2
Speed: 40'
AC:15 Natural +2 Dexterity +2 Size +1
Attacks: Bite +2
Damage: Bite d4+1
Face/Reach: 5' x 5'/ 5'
Special Qualities: Scent
Saves: Fort +4 Reflexes +4 Will +2
Abilities: Strength: 13 Dexterity: 15 Constitution: 15 Intelligence: 2 Wisdom: 14 Cha: 6
Skills: Listen +5, Spot +5 , Swim +5, Wilderness Lore +3
Feats:


Mastiffs- Bullmastiff etc

Medium Sized Animal
HD: 2d8 +4
Initiative: +1
Speed: 40'
AC: 16 Natural +4 Dexterity +2
Attacks: Bite +3
Damage: Bite d6+3
Face/Reach: 5' x 5'/ 5'
Special Qualities: Scent
Saves: Fort + 4 Ref +5 Will +1
Abilities: Strength: 17 Dexterity: 15 Constitution: 15 Intelligence: 2 Wisdom: 12 Cha: 6
Skills: Listen +5, Spot +5 , Swim +5, Wilderness Lore +1
Feats: -


Toys- Pets for nobles

Tiny Sized Animal
HD: d8
Initiative: +3
Speed: 30'
AC:17 Natural +1 Dexterity +4 Size +2
Attacks: Bite +2
Damage: Bite d3
Face/Reach: 5' x 5'/ 5'
Special Qualities: Scent
Saves: Fort +2 Ref +5 Will +1
Abilities: Strength: 8 Dexterity: 17 Constitution: 10 Intelligence: 2 Wisdom: 12 Cha: 6
Skills: Listen +5, Spot +5 , Swim +5
Feats: -

Shepherd- Belgian Malinois, etc

Medium Sized Animal
HD: d8 +3
Initiative: +2
Speed: 40'
AC: 15 Natural +3 Dexterity +2
Attacks: Bite +2
Damage: Bite d6+2
Face/Reach: 5' x 5'/ 5'
Special Qualities: Scent
Saves: Fort +5 Ref +5 Will +2
Abilities: Strength: 15 Dexterity: 15 Constitution: 17 Intelligence: 2 Wisdom: 14 Cha: 6
Skills: Listen +5, Spot +5 , Swim +5
Feats: Endurance


Retrievers- Goldies, Newfoundland, etc

Medium Sized Animal
HD: 2d8 +4
Initiative: +3
Speed: 40'
AC:16 +2 dexterity +4 natural
Attacks: Bite +2
Damage: Bite d6+2
Face/Reach: 5' x 5'/ 5'
Special Qualities: Scent
Saves: Fort +5 Ref +5 Will +1
Abilities: Strength: 15 Dexterity: 15 Constitution: 15 Intelligence: 2 Wisdom: 12 Cha: 6
Skills: Listen +5, Spot +5 , Swim +5,
Feats: -

 

[Utrecht]

Well, being an owner of a Greyhound, they are quite good at seeing - especially at distance , hoever, thier ability to smell is limited as a compensation.

Thus, I would up thier spot somewhat - - perhaps create a Feat called Far Spot or something like it in effect reducing the range increments on spots.

Additionally, I would give the scenthounds the scent feat. But other than that looks great!!!

 

[alsih2o]

looks good vuron, thanks!

drop the str a little on the toy dog and it would probably be a greta familiar.

 

[Vuron]

Gah I had meant to revise the skill points alloted damn cut and paste

Anyway all dogs have scent as a natural ability rather than feat. I did list run and endurance as feats but they should likely be included under natural qualities.

I would also give them the +8/+12 bonus to wilderness lore based on scent tracking.

I also avoided some of the more modern breed types as in most campaigns I could only see the beginning of the hyper specialization found in the modern breeds.

I also neglected to create terriers and other ratting dogs, but I could see a modified dog from the SRD for them.

The toys I see as spaniels etc. True toys would likely be weaker.

 

[Ace]

Thanks greatly for this Vuron

I have a variety of dog breeds IMC but I haven't stated them.

You just saved me a massive amount of work

 

[Kahuna Burger]

Well going with a simplified system of the breeds.

Sighthounds- Including the Greyhound, Saluki, Wolfhound, etc but not the Italian Greyhound or Whippet.

Medium Sized Animal
HD: d8 + 2
Initiative: +3
Speed: 60'
AC:15 +2 Natural +3 Dexterity
Attacks: Bite +3
Damage: Bite d6+2
Face/Reach: 5' x 5'/ 5'
Special Qualities: Scent
Saves: Fort +4 Ref +5 Will +1
Abilities: Strength: 15 Dexterity: 17 Constitution: 15 Intelligence: 2 Wisdom: 12 Cha: 6
Skills: Listen +5, Spot +5 , Swim +5, Wilderness Lore +1
Feats: Run

higher spot, quite possibly no scent quality. And I'd give them the sprint ability ala the cheetah.

On another post, the "hyper specialization" is very much old enough for the standard D&D setting. Greyhounds were raced by the pharohs, the romans used war dogs. You might not have had the distinction between the english and american labs, or the cairn and the westie, but there would be very distinct breeds even within the basic catagories and five or six catagories worth seperate stats. (Oh my, elvish breed enthusiasts... "This is the Legolas terrier. Yes its named after me, I was into breeding in my youth and spent a century perfecting this posture.")

I've been planning for over a year to send in a query to Dragon about doing alternate dog breeds. Desert racers, corded herders, massive guards, terriers (gotta get that improved grab thing going on), scent hounds, lap dogs (believe it or not, those could provide the most campaign hooks), arctic spitz, etc. One of the main problems would be integrating the various intelligence levels in the breeds. Maybe just introduce special qualities like "trainable" and "stuborn".

Kahuna Burger (dog person)

 

[kengar]

...and for terriers (ratters), give them Rage & a MASSIVE Will Save

 

[Sialia]

I want a toy poodle familiar . . .

Poodlemancer

 

[Drawmack]

i mean cat is cat, but dogs perform a wildly different assortment of functions.

I'm sorry but I must take issue with this statement.

Siamese are much more intellegent then most other breads and very independant.

The persian and russian blue are great cold weather cats, but not all that intelligent.

I could go on, but I think the point is made that a cat is not a cat anymore then a dog is a dog.