Scrags aka sea trolls

[Jhulae]

I know some ... activities... that will ask for ... regeneration ... and will most certainly have me immersed in sweat.

Immersed: IN BRIEF: v - To plunge or dip into a liquid.

There are many activites I participate in where I'm eventually coated in sweat, but personally, I don't know of *any* activity where I'm 'plunged or dipped' into sweat, and I hope I never find one.

To be honest, even when I'm out in the rain, I'm not 'plunged or dipped' into rainwater, even when I step in a puddle.

Point is, Scraggs wouldn't be regenerating unless they were in a large enough body of water to plunge or dip their bodies into.

 

[Dross]

You could include the "puddles" as part of the imersion I suppose (very big puddles admittedly), but here is an idea.

The terrain could hold the rain, immersing the scrags in water. Holes, steep sides like a ravine or river (the water has to go somewhere), flood waters.

That gives you other variables to worry about. How far can you see in such a heavy rain? STR checks to stand against the onrushing water.

 

[Infiniti2000]

Point is, Scraggs wouldn't be regenerating unless they were in a large enough body of water to completely immerse their bodies into.

And the rebuttal point is, the ability only specifies "mostly." You can't ignore that adverb.

 

[Jhulae]

The terrain could hold the rain, immersing the scrags in water. Holes, steep sides like a ravine or river (the water has to go somewhere), flood waters.

Which, again, dismisses the assinine idea that just rain (or sweat) by itself would regenerate a Skragg.

If the rain caused a puddle big enough to immerse a skragg in (and the description says the scragg itself has to be immersed for the Regeneration to work, not just an arm or foot), then that 'puddle' is currently a pool of water and not 'rain'. It may have come *from* rain, but it's not the fact it's raining that regenerates the Skragg, it's that there's a 10x10 (at least) hole filled to the brim with water that lets it regenerate.

 

[Infiniti2000]

Which, again, dismisses the assinine idea that just rain (or sweat) by itself would regenerate a Skragg.

If you're going to denigrate someone's idea so forcefully (calling it utterly stupid qualifies IMO), at least spell asinine correctly and not with a Freudian slip.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/asinine

 

[Ilium]

So avoid the question entirely. Stage the fight in an appropriately dramatic spot (like on a bridge) and have the troll fall in. Once it's feeling better it can sneak out of the water and come after the party a little more cautiously. Just because trolls are generally stupid killing machines doesn't mean you can't have a super-smart troll (Int 8) who can learn from a good whoopin'

The scrag entry actually doesn't say anything about sea water, just that they are aquatic and regenerate in water.

 

[Innocent Bystander]

That's a little hard with where the PCs are right now. They just resolved an issue where a group of thugs managed to drain a small lake and any surrounding water with an eversoaking sponge. The thugs were selling water to a small hamlet the PCs came upon at absurd prices. I found this in a module and modified it to fit.

They're being watched, and now a, somewhat, benign source, will cause it to rain. I was thinking of having a very upset, almost feral scrag who hasn't seen water for weeks attack the party (4 PCs, 2 npcs most at level 3). Without regen, and the fact that it won't be at full health (only makes sense to me) they should be able to take him pretty handily. Until the rain starts to fall. They'll have a few flasks of acid from the loot they just found, and they do have some torches.

 

[Cabled]

I've certainly worked in rains that I would classify as "immersion"..anyone who's visited Vancouver island or the Olympic peninsula knows what I am talking about...and I wouldn't have a problem letting them regenerate in those situations. I've been in rain that makes you no less wet than jumping in a lake, in a very short amount of time. As DM it's up to me to decide if it's raining that hard, whether it's by random table, player or NPC action, or simple story determination, and I'm rather happy the rulebooks haven't succeeded in splitting every hair down to its finest part in the interest of "balance".

 

[Ilium]

That's a little hard with where the PCs are right now. They just resolved an issue where a group of thugs managed to drain a small lake and any surrounding water with an eversoaking sponge. The thugs were selling water to a small hamlet the PCs came upon at absurd prices. I found this in a module and modified it to fit.

They're being watched, and now a, somewhat, benign source, will cause it to rain. I was thinking of having a very upset, almost feral scrag who hasn't seen water for weeks attack the party (4 PCs, 2 npcs most at level 3). Without regen, and the fact that it won't be at full health (only makes sense to me) they should be able to take him pretty handily. Until the rain starts to fall. They'll have a few flasks of acid from the loot they just found, and they do have some torches.

That sounds awesome. Let it rain!

Make sure to require some kind of check to keep the torches lit in the deluge!

 

[Dross]

If the rain caused a puddle big enough to immerse a skragg in (and the description says the scragg itself has to be immersed for the Regeneration to work, not just an arm or foot), then that 'puddle' is currently a pool of water and not 'rain'. It may have come *from* rain, but it's not the fact it's raining that regenerates the Skragg, it's that there's a 10x10 (at least) hole filled to the brim with water that lets it regenerate.

So you are saying the puddle (or pond) idea is a valid one?

The hole only has to be 10x10 to allow free movement, a 5x5 hole could do in a pinch (with squeezing modifiers).

And note that the hole does not need to be filled to the brim. "Mostly" and "completely" are two distinctly seperate terms.

Given that some monsoon rains can practically be a wall of water (or standing under a waterfall?), I could see that as being a possible situation the the regen works, but not for anything less that that.