Scrolls

[Falling Icicle]

I wonder if scrolls will be in 4e. It would be nice to be able to get a one-use item that gives you an extra daily spell/prayer. Obviously, they would need to be fairly expensive, but they would help out alot and actually be cool, much desired treasure, rather than 3e scrolls which usually end up scribed in spellbooks or sold. An extra daily spell in 4e would not be something people take for granted.

 

[Deep Blue 9000]

I'm pretty sure scrolls as we know them are dead: they don't fit in with the 4e pricing structure at all. Your idea for scrolls seems like a workable replacement.

 

[bgardner]

I wonder if scrolls will be in 4e. It would be nice to be able to get a one-use item that gives you an extra daily spell/prayer. Obviously, they would need to be fairly expensive, but they would help out alot and actually be cool, much desired treasure, rather than 3e scrolls which usually end up scribed in spellbooks or sold. An extra daily spell in 4e would not be something people take for granted.

Yes, there are scrolls. When asked about this at D&D XP, James Wyatt said "Scrolls are Rituals".

 

[Falling Icicle]

Yes, there are scrolls. When asked about this at D&D XP, James Wyatt said "Scrolls are Rituals".

Pity. I would like to have some magical item that can give extra per-day spells, and scrolls make the most sense to me.

 

[Li Shenron]

Scribing a spell from a scroll into a spellbook certainly doesn't exist anymore as a rule. The image of it can be taken by just your personal description of how your wizard learned her latest daily/encounter/atwill power.

I don't see any problem in having single-use items that replicate a power. I would certainly be surprised not to see such magic items in the game...

"Scrolls are rituals" tells me that rituals do not really come from a character's ability, but must be acquired as a one-use item, that anyone can trigger. (Then I wonder what is the ability to create such items)

 

[glass]

"Scrolls are rituals" tells me that rituals do not really come from a character's ability, but must be acquired as a one-use item, that anyone can trigger. (Then I wonder what is the ability to create such items)

'Scrolls are rituals' != 'Rituals are scrolls'.

It might be that all rituals are activations of single use magic items, but it certainly can't be deduced from that snippet.


glass.

 

[UngeheuerLich]

how would you create those items? Maybe he just meant: scrolls are mundane texts with instructions to perform a ritual...

 

[The Shadow]

Perhaps "Scrolls are Rituals" means it takes a ritual to make one?

 

[Fallen Seraph]

*Random idea* Scrolls use Ritual-like powers but are usable outside a Ritual.

So imagine this, there is a Ritual that can cause an area to be purified by Holy-Radiant energy. This would normally be used for exorcisms and such.

However, since you inscribed the power into a Scroll it is usable in combat.

Thus this:

"As the zombie-hordes begin to swarm over the battlements and surround the party, the Cleric shifts his way into the centre of the party, the Fighter and Paladin raise their shields and keep pushing the zombies back as the Rogue and Ranger fire out from the protection of the shields. The Cleric begins to read out the Scroll (full-round action). As he finishes the Scroll burns away and light bursts out, the zombies around them turn to dust."

 

[ferratus]

So less "scattered collection of random spells" and more Necronomicon? Actually, I guess that might be a tome, filled with a collection of Ritual Spells. An artifact indeed!

It would also be a lot more exciting finding a scroll in a ruined library. Instead of having scrolls be spells you would have learned from your master if he wasn't such a jerk, it is a lost ritual known only to a select few.

I like it.