Shadow Stalker

Dargon

Visitor
I have been thinking on a sneak attack/stalking based prestige class for some time, and had a lot of time on my hand today. So what do you say? It was originally based on the assassin.

Shadow Stalker

There is no people better at the job of tracking down anyone or anything in ENWORLD than the Shadow Stalker. Most Shadow Stalkers work independently and are not organized. However, it is rumored that the Conclave and other criminal organizations have more than a handful working for them to track down people trying to hide. Shadow Stalkers have been known to hunt down criminals, but they seldom deliver a man alive for justice.
Shadow Stalkers are rumored to origin from the Free Folk. However most Shadow Stalkers deny that they were ever dancing around and stealing from people, but there is really no evidence off this as Shadow Stalkers has a tendency to secrecy about their trade and no recorded history is known to exist. However, one thing is certain almost all Shadow Stalkers get restless if they stay too long in the same city.

When the Shadow Stalker finishes his/her hunt they attack swiftly before ever being seen and most victims won’t know what hit them. They are not a match for a true fighter in a fair fight, and that is why there probably won’t be one if the Shadow Stalker can help it.
Shadow Stalkers also make excellent spies, because every Shadow Stalker knows that a good disguise or a wellplaced lie can be just as effective a concealment as a shadow.

Hit Die: d8.
Requirements
To qualify to become a Shadow Stalker, a character must fulfill all the following criteria.
BAB +4
Feats: Track, sneak attack (+2d6)
Skills: Survival 8 ranks, Hide 8 ranks, Move Silently 8 ranks.

Class Skills
The Shadow Stalker’ class skills (and the key abilitiy for each skill) are Balance (Dex), Bluff (Cha), Climb (Str), Craft (Int), Decipher Script (Int), Diplomacy (Cha), Disable Device (Int), Disguise (Cha), Escape Artist (Dex), Forgery (Int), Gather Information (Cha), Hide (Dex), Intimidate (Cha), Jump (Str), Listen (Wis), Move Silently (Dex), Search (Int), Sense Motive (Wis), Spot (Wis), Survival (Wis), Swim (Str), Tumble (Dex), and Use Rope (Dex).
Skill Points at Each Level
6 + Int modifier.


Code:
Level	Base 	Fort 	Ref	Will         Special
	Attack  Save    Save    Save	
	Bonus
1st	+0	+0	+2	+0	Sneak attack +1d6 

2nd	+1	+0	+3	+0	Shadow link 

3rd	+2	+1	+3	+1	Swift Tracker, Quick act +1 

4th	+3	+1	+4	+1	Sneak attack +2d6

5th	+3	+1	+4	+1	uncanny dodge

6th	+4	+2	+5	+2	hide in plain sight, Quick act +2

7th	+5	+2	+5	+2	sneak attack +3d6, Reveal 

8th	+6	+2	+6	+2	Improved uncanny dodge

9th	+6	+3	+6	+3	Supreme tracker, Quick act +3 

10th	+7	+3	+7	+3	Sneak attack +4d6




Sneak Attack
This is exactly like the rogue ability of the same name. The extra damage dealt increases by +1d6 every 3 level (1st, 4th, 7th, and 10th). If a Shadow Stalker gets a sneak attack bonus from another source the bonuses on damage stack.

Uncanny Dodge (Ex)
Starting at 5th level, a Shadow Stalker retains his Dexterity bonus to AC (if any) regardless of being caught flat-footed or struck by an invisible attacker. (He still loses any Dexterity bonus to AC if immobilized.)
If a character gains uncanny dodge from a second class the character automatically gains improved uncanny dodge (see below).

Improved Uncanny Dodge (Ex)
At 8th level, a Shadow Stalker can no longer be flanked, since he can react to opponents on opposite sides of him as easily as he can react to a single attacker. This defense denies rogues the ability to use flank attacks to sneak attack the Shadow Stalker. The exception to this defense is that a rogue at least four levels higher than the Shadow Stalker can flank him (and thus sneak attack him).
If a character gains uncanny dodge (see above) from a second class the character automatically gains improved uncanny dodge, and the levels from those classes stack to determine the minimum rogue level required to flank the character.

Hide in Plain Sight (Su)
At 6th level, a Shadow Stalker can use the Hide skill even while being observed. As long as he is within 10 feet of some sort of shadow, a Shadow Stalker can hide himself from view in the open without having anything to actually hide behind. He cannot, however, hide in his own shadow.

Swift Tracker (Ex)
A Shadow Stalker can move at his normal speed while following tracks without taking the normal -5 penalty. He takes only a -10 penalty (instead of the normal -20) when moving at up to twice normal speed while tracking.

Supreme tracker (Ex)
The shadow Stalker can move up to twice his normal speed while following a track without taking the -20 or -10 penalty to his check
A shadow stalker can also take an auto 10 on all survival check to track.

Shadow link: (su)
A Shadow Stalker that deals sneak attack can forgo 1d6 sneak attack damage to implant a portion of his essence into the target, granting him a +10 circumstance bonus on attempts to track the target for up to one day per level of Shadow Stalker. When the Shadow Stalker use this ability he losses the benefit from any previous links.

Reveal: (su)
This ability works like locate creature, but can only be used to locate a specific creature known to you. Caster level is you Shadow Stalker level. It can be use 1/ pr. 2level of Shadow Stalker/pr. day, but you can only target one particular creature pr. day.

Quick act: (ex)
The Shadow Stalker learns that the one who act the quickest is the one who is most likely to walk away alive. At 3rd level the Shadow stalker gets a +1 bonus to initiative. This increase to +2 at sixth and +3 at ninth level.
 
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B4cchus

Visitor
This PrC seems like a ranger/rogue crossover. Coulnd't a multiclassed rogue/range lead to a similar result?
 

Dargon

Visitor
You probably could but sneak attack and stealth abilities don’t go hand in hand that way, you would seriously lover you SA if you want the stealth stuff from the ranger. What I had in mind is a substitute for the evil ONLY assassin without making a good assassin. I could try to come up with something to substitute some or all the FE abilities, or just cut some of them if the PrC is a bit overpowered, as they were added more to balance the class then for flavor.

Been gone from my gaming group for little more then 6 month and I am starting have some urgings to do DnD stuff from lack of gaming. As I said I have a lot of time the next few days and are bored to death, I need something to do :)

A possible swap for the favored enemy at lvl 6 could be

Supreme tracker.
The shadow stalker can move up to twice his normal speed while following a track without taking the -20 or -10 penalty to his check
A shadow stalker can also take an auto 10 on all survival check to track
 
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Patlin

Visitor
Too many abilities (especially hide in plain sight by Character level 9!) and not enough prerequisites. Better than you could do with a ranger/rogue without much of a cost.
 

Velmont

Visitor
That PrC can be easily taken by any Ranger. No need to be roguish to take it. And you gain the most interesting combat oriented power of each class. So maybe here some suggetsions:

Requirement, I would add: Sneak Attack : +1d6 (+2d6?)
Delay Hide in Plain Sight to be gain much later (level 8?)
Maybe have up to 4 dice of sneak attack only (at level 1,4,7 and 10)
 

Dargon

Visitor
Shaved of the favored enemies as they were only filler. Moved a bit around on when you get stuff, making it a little weaker in the beginning. Hide in plain sight is now at lvl 7, I would prefer it earlier (shadow dancer gets it at first level) but I know it might be a bit to powerful. Changed Requirements, adding a +4 BAB and +2d6 Sneak attack.
Was thinking of adding two weapon fighting too or would that be too much?
 

Patlin

Visitor
That's a lot better, in my opinion. I wouldn't add TWF as a requirement, as I don't see why this class should favor melee over the bow to that extent. I still think it's a little on the powerfull side. How about giving sneak attack at levels 1,4,7 and 10 and moving hide in plain sight to 8th? Either that, or giving the class a medium BAB?

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Current state of proposal said:
Shadow Stalker
Hit Die: d8.
Requirements
To qualify to become a Shadow Stalker, a character must fulfill all the following criteria.
BAB +4
Feats: Track, sneak attack (+2d6)
Skills: Search 8 ranks, Hide 8 ranks, Move Silently 8 ranks.

Class Skills
The Shadow Stalker’ class skills (and the key ability for each skill) are Balance (Dex), Bluff (Cha), Climb (Str), Craft (Int), Decipher Script (Int), Diplomacy (Cha), Disable Device (Int), Disguise (Cha), Escape Artist (Dex), Forgery (Int), Gather Information (Cha), Hide (Dex), Intimidate (Cha), Jump (Str), Listen (Wis), Move Silently (Dex), Search (Int), Sense Motive (Wis), Spot (Wis), Survival (Wis), Swim (Str), Tumble (Dex), and Use Rope (Dex).
Skill Points at Each Level
6 + Int modifier.


Code:


Level Base Fort Ref Will Special
Attack Save Save Save
Bonus
1st +1 +0 +2 +0 Swift Tracker.

2nd +2 +0 +3 +0 Sneak attack +1d6

3rd +3 +1 +3 +1 uncanny dodge

4th +4 +1 +4 +1 Sneak attack +2d6
5th +5 +1 +4 +1 Improved uncanny dodge
6th +6 +2 +5 +2 sneak attack +3d6


7th +7 +2 +5 +2 hide in plain sight

8th +8 +2 +6 +2 Sneak attack +4d6

9th +9 +3 +6 +3 Supreme tracker

10th +10 +3 +7 +3 Sneak attack +5d6





Sneak Attack
This is exactly like the rogue ability of the same name. The extra damage dealt increases by +1d6 every other level (1st, 3rd, 5th, 7th, and 9th). If a Shadow Stalker gets a sneak attack bonus from another source the bonuses on damage stack.

Uncanny Dodge (Ex)
Starting at 2nd level, a Shadow Stalker retains his Dexterity bonus to AC (if any) regardless of being caught flat-footed or struck by an invisible attacker. (He still loses any Dexterity bonus to AC if immobilized.)
If a character gains uncanny dodge from a second class the character automatically gains improved uncanny dodge (see below).

Improved Uncanny Dodge (Ex)
At 5th level, a Shadow Stalker can no longer be flanked, since he can react to opponents on opposite sides of him as easily as he can react to a single attacker. This defense denies rogues the ability to use flank attacks to sneak attack the Shadow Stalker. The exception to this defense is that a rogue at least four levels higher than the Shadow Stalker can flank him (and thus sneak attack him).
If a character gains uncanny dodge (see above) from a second class the character automatically gains improved uncanny dodge, and the levels from those classes stack to determine the minimum rogue level required to flank the character.

Hide in Plain Sight (Su)
At 4th level, a Shadow Stalker can use the Hide skill even while being observed. As long as he is within 10 feet of some sort of shadow, a Shadow Stalker can hide himself from view in the open without having anything to actually hide behind. He cannot, however, hide in his own shadow.

Swift Tracker (Ex)
A Shadow Stalker can move at his normal speed while following tracks without taking the normal -5 penalty. He takes only a -10 penalty (instead of the normal -20) when moving at up to twice normal speed while tracking.

Supreme tracker (Ex)
The shadow stalker can move up to twice his normal speed while following a track without taking the -20 or -10 penalty to his check
A shadow stalker can also take an auto 10 on all survival check to track
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Dargon

Visitor
Moved the hide in plain sight to lvl 9
As a player, I know that I want something new at each level, I want to fell that I went a level up. The reduction of sneak attack is no an option as that is one of the main teams behind. I am not found of reducing the BAB and would prefer if their would be another way of reducing the power level of the class.
 

Bront

The man with the probe
Shave the extra Sneak Attack die to 1/3 levels.

Give it a few unique abilities, particularly one early.

Survival needs to be a req if track is.

BAB advancement is too high for the given set of abilities, skills, and progression. Use the Shadow Dancer as a guide, as it is very similarly positioned, though it's abilities are a bit better.

I actuly have no problem with Hide in Plain sight being lower (Shadow Dancer gets it around CL 9).

Right now, this is a class that is a little too ubermix of classes that actualy synergize fairly well with eachother (Ranger and Rogue) and doesn't bring much unique to the table. I'm not exactly sure of a good way to make it stand out, but I like the concept, so it can be done.

Sometimes, just a new spin on a current ability can help. For example, if the idea is to build a ranged hidden sniper, perhaps doubling Sneak Attack and Point Blank range as one power might be cool (and fits with tracking and hiding). Something like Trackless Step might be usefull as well.
 

Dargon

Visitor
Changed: BAB to cleric BaB, sneak attack every 3lvl now instead of every 2nd, moved hide in plain sight to 6th lvl.
Moved around when you get most abilities.
changed search to survival in requirement.
added

added Reveal (su) and blood trail to the abilities
are they unbalanced?

is the class still to strong and or stand out too little?
 

Patlin

Visitor
Dargon said:
I have been thinking on a sneak attack/stalking based prestige class for some time, and had a lot of time on my hand to day. So what do you say? It was originally based on the assassin.

Shadow Stalker
Hit Die: d8.
Requirements
To qualify to become a Shadow Stalker, a character must fulfill all the following criteria.
BAB +4
Feats: Track, sneak attack (+2d6)
Skills: Survivel 8 ranks, Hide 8 ranks, Move Silently 8 ranks.

Class Skills
The Shadow Stalker’ class skills (and the key ability for each skill) are Balance (Dex), Bluff (Cha), Climb (Str), Craft (Int), Decipher Script (Int), Diplomacy (Cha), Disable Device (Int), Disguise (Cha), Escape Artist (Dex), Forgery (Int), Gather Information (Cha), Hide (Dex), Intimidate (Cha), Jump (Str), Listen (Wis), Move Silently (Dex), Search (Int), Sense Motive (Wis), Spot (Wis), Survival (Wis), Swim (Str), Tumble (Dex), and Use Rope (Dex).
Skill Points at Each Level
6 + Int modifier.

Code:
Level	Base 	Fort 	Ref	Will         Special
	Attack  Save    Save    Save	
	Bonus
1st	+0	+0	+2	+0	Sneak attack +1d6 

2nd	+1	+0	+3	+0	blood trail 

3rd	+2	+1	+3	+1	Swift Tracker

4th	+3	+1	+4	+1	Sneak attack +2d6

5th	+3	+1	+4	+1	uncanny dodge

6th	+4	+2	+5	+2	hide in plain sight

7th	+5	+2	+5	+2	sneak attack +3d6, Reveal 

8th	+6	+2	+6	+2	Improved uncanny dodge

9th	+6	+3	+6	+3	Supreme tracker 

10th	+7	+3	+7	+3	Sneak attack +4d6




Sneak Attack
This is exactly like the rogue ability of the same name. The extra damage dealt increases by +1d6 every other level (1st, 3rd, 5th, 7th, and 9th). If a Shadow Stalker gets a sneak attack bonus from another source the bonuses on damage stack.

Uncanny Dodge (Ex)
Starting at 2nd level, a Shadow Stalker retains his Dexterity bonus to AC (if any) regardless of being caught flat-footed or struck by an invisible attacker. (He still loses any Dexterity bonus to AC if immobilized.)
If a character gains uncanny dodge from a second class the character automatically gains improved uncanny dodge (see below).

Improved Uncanny Dodge (Ex)
At 5th level, a Shadow Stalker can no longer be flanked, since he can react to opponents on opposite sides of him as easily as he can react to a single attacker. This defense denies rogues the ability to use flank attacks to sneak attack the Shadow Stalker. The exception to this defense is that a rogue at least four levels higher than the Shadow Stalker can flank him (and thus sneak attack him).
If a character gains uncanny dodge (see above) from a second class the character automatically gains improved uncanny dodge, and the levels from those classes stack to determine the minimum rogue level required to flank the character.

Hide in Plain Sight (Su)
At 4th level, a Shadow Stalker can use the Hide skill even while being observed. As long as he is within 10 feet of some sort of shadow, a Shadow Stalker can hide himself from view in the open without having anything to actually hide behind. He cannot, however, hide in his own shadow.

Swift Tracker (Ex)
A Shadow Stalker can move at his normal speed while following tracks without taking the normal -5 penalty. He takes only a -10 penalty (instead of the normal -20) when moving at up to twice normal speed while tracking.

Supreme tracker (Ex)
The shadow stalker can move up to twice his normal speed while following a track without taking the -20 or -10 penalty to his check
A shadow stalker can also take an auto 10 on all survival check to track

blood trail
A shadow stalker that deals sneak attack damage can forgo 1d6 sneak attack damage to damage the creature, and forcing a special moving pattern and their by gain a +10 circumstance bonus for 1 day/shadow stalker lvl to survival when tracking the creature.

Reveal (su)
This ability works like locate creature but can only be used to locate a specific creature known to you. Caster lvl is you shadow stalker lvl. It can be use 1/ pr 2level of shadow stalker but you can only target one particular creature pr day
I'd aprove this. Any more discussion?
 
+10 is a very very large circumstance modifier--it actually isn't that I have a major problem with granting it with Blood Trail, per se, but I think the fluff for it doesn't make sense vis-a-vis a +10, plus the fluff would indicate that magically healing the wound immediately eliminates the bonus. Is that correct? It is not yet listed.
 

Dargon

Visitor
I didn't intent it to be healed by simple cure spells, does it help i ad the following?

A shadow stalker that deals sneak attack damage can forgo 1d6 sneak attack damage to the creature, and forcing a special moving pattern and their by gain a +10 circumstance bonus for 1 day/shadow stalker lvl to survival when tracking the creature. This is not actual damage and have no other consequents other then changing the movement. The changing can only be seen by the shadow stalker.
 

Patlin

Visitor
Same bonus, different fluff: ...can forgo 1d6 sneak attack damage to implant a portion of his essence into the target, granting him a +10 circumstance bonus on attempts to track the target for up to one day per class level.

Perhaps blood link rather than blood trail for the name?
 

Bront

The man with the probe
Shadow Mark might be a better name for it.

I like it for the most part other than that. However, it needs some fluff now. Perhaps notables of their roles in the world, places it may have originated (The Freefolk have links to Shadowdancers, so I could see this being a Freefolk thing in origin for example).

One last thing, I could see this class getting an initiative bonus at level 3, 6, and 6 (+1, +2, and +3). With the loss of some combat ability, and the new abilities being more out of combat, I think that fits and balances things very well.
 

Dargon

Visitor
I like the idea of them being connected to the freefolks.

Anyway added some fluff, and followed Patlin's suggestion on the former blood trail. Name is now changed to shadow link.

I also followed Bront suggestion on the init bonuses, a thing that fit right in to the concept.

I see it as finished now unless the judges has more to add/comment.
 

Bront

The man with the probe
YES!

I like it. Think it's balanced well, and has a purpose, as well as some extra flavor to the world.

One thing I think you should clairify.

There can only be 1 Shadow Link active at any time. Or 1 per 2 Stalker levels. (I'm up for either, it just shouldn't be infinate)
 
Bront said:
YES!

I like it. Think it's balanced well, and has a purpose, as well as some extra flavor to the world.

One thing I think you should clairify.

There can only be 1 Shadow Link active at any time. Or 1 per 2 Stalker levels. (I'm up for either, it just shouldn't be infinate)
Well, I bet having your essence in several places would distract from each signal. What if you could divide the +10 among any number of targets, so you can have +10 on one guy, or +2 on 5 different guys, etc.
 

Bront

The man with the probe
Yeah, might just be easier to limit it to 1 target, so if you switch, you switch.
 

Dargon

Visitor
Being limited to one person makes most sense.
Added following sentence.

When the shadow stalker use this ability he loss the benefit from any previous links.
 

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