SHARK! A question and a strange SHARKian dream

SHARK;

How goes the writing man? Is it easier or harder than you thought it would be? Are you nervous?

Just curious.

Also.

I had the weirdest D&D dream last night (a symptom of scrambling to meet 7! deadlines for D20 stuff this month), and it reminded me of your campaign world.

So, anyway:

The dream opens with this squad of ogre warriors racing across a barren, blasted wasteland of fire.

All the warriors are in heavy armor - monster inspired stuff, with thick, blackened chunks of pitted iron for plates and long black cloaks swirling in the wind.

They come up over a ridge, and there below them is a wooden stockade, filled with vigilant brigands and abuzz with preparations for battle.

The ogres gather together, and begin to recite an oath. I can't remember for the life of me what the oath was, but it involved a request for absolution and the swearing to raise no hand against the innocent on pain of damnation.

Then, the ogres unfurled this big black banner/flag hung from a long iron spike. They slammed it into the ground, and in unison roared out a challenge.

The brigands look up, and begin to panic.

Then, the ogres leap down over the ridge and, weaponless, charge the stockade.

From here, the dream fast forwards a bit, and the battle is over.

The brigands are dead to a man, beaten to death with meaty fists. The bodies are stacked in preparation for a mass burning.

The wives and children of the brigands are unharmed, but are bound.

The ogres are kneeling before paladins and clerics. The paladins are congratulating the ogres while slapping them in thick leg and arm irons.

A long conversation between ogres and clergy follows, but I don't remember it exactly. I do recall though that the ogres were known as the 'Brotherhood of Honor's Burden", and they were all convicted criminals seeking redemption in the afterlife.

Basically, they had sworn to uphold Law and righteousness, and to raise no hand against the innocent. They were incredible empty hand fighters who could unleash holy fury on the lawless, but were physically incapable of harming innocents.

They willingly submitted themselves to a life of imprisonment, and were only freed to throw themselves against the most dangerous foes. Otherwise, they spent their days in prayer and contemplation, waiting for an honorable death in battle, when their souls would be forgiven.

That's about the time I woke up.

That, I suppose, is what I get for reading all of the "How would you defend a mountain fortress part II" thread before I go to sleep.

:)

Patrick Y.
 

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Heh, kind of like The Dirty Dozen if Lee Marvin was a Paladin and Charles Bronson was an Ogre.

Actually, I guess that's nothing like The Dirty Dozen.

Except for the situation described.

Well... this post has gone south:)

BAck to judging Haiku's while drunk
 

Teflon Billy said:
Heh, kind of like The Dirty Dozen if Lee Marvin was a Paladin and Charles Bronson was an Ogre.

Actually, I guess that's nothing like The Dirty Dozen.


Actually, that would be sorta cool.

A paladin, on his own redemption quest - grizzled, battered, his faith beaten but not gone.

He's partnered with the last member of the "Brotherhood" squad he oversaw, an immense, grizzled ogre barbarian/monk (unarmed fighter sort) and, despite themselves, the two have struck up an unlikely friendship.

Both are old and tired, wandering the wildlands bringing law and faith to the frontier, plunging into battle again and again in search of an opponent skilled enough to send them on to their well earned reward.

The paladin fights with a holy avenger great sword. The ogre is missing a hand - in its place an iron shod stump.


Anywho, when I'm writing, I have vivid dreams like this all the time.

Usually, they fall more in line with fairy tale sensibilities, or perhaps like LeGuin's Earthsea series.

This time though, I immersed myself in SHARKvision after 12 hours of straight writing. It made for a refreshing change of pace.

:)

Patrick Y.
 

Arcane Runes Press said:

barbarian/monk

Now Pat. We all know that this is such a broken combination that it's impossible using D&D rules (alignment restrictions).

Barbarians have to be non-lawful and monks have to be lawful.
 

Snoweel said:


Now Pat. We all know that this is such a broken combination that it's impossible using D&D rules (alignment restrictions).

Barbarians have to be non-lawful and monks have to be lawful.

:)

I lay waste to alignment restrictions like Conan lays waste to snake cultists where concept is concerned.

Plus, the monk bits could easily be substituted with Fighter levels, so long as the fighter feats were concentrated on boosting unarmed combat.

Patrick Y.
 

Greetings!

Patrick! I have arrived!:)

Well, I am writing and staying very busy, as you can well imagine!:) Hmmm...as for what I expected? It's fun, indeed, but far more work and effort than I imagined, to be honest. I do enjoy it, and am looking forward to new and upcoming projects, too! It is a surprise to get into though!:)

There are so many different design concepts that I struggle with. On one hand, you of course want everyone to like what you are writing, and you don't want the critics to shred you. Then on the other hand, you want to stay true to your own vision and write that which is distinctive, vivid, and gripping from your point of view. However, this approach has the danger of alienating a segment of the audience, and opens you up potentially to severe attack by the critics. On the other hand, though, being entirely generic and attempting to please "Everyone" often results that in the end, you really fail to please anyone. I have seen many, many generic kinds of supplements, and they are obviously trying so hard to fit into everybody, that the work is utterly flavorless and quite worthless, like a soggy MRE. I want to please people, and I'm not a "personality snob"--like insisting that everything be just the total way that I want it, or I'll pack up my toys and go home!:)--but at the same time, I want to design stuff that while generally pleasing, isn't something that doesn't engage my vision and passion. It's a strange dance, but I imagine that you understand, heh?

Sometimes I also get bogged down in writing and rewriting, searching for the Holy Grail, so to speak, becasue as I read my drafts, I always think that I can do better. meanwhile, the gentle reminders from myself about keeping aware of the deadlines and such...it can get frustrating, to be sure.

I'm having a great time though! How about you?

As for your dream, well! It does sound indeed like I inspired it! GOOD!:) Have you enjoyed the "How Would You Defend A Mountain Fortress Part II" thread?:) I hope so! I like grit in my campaign, but I also have a passion for using the rules as is, and running with it. Let the horses run, so to speak! So, I like high-fantasy. I think High-Fantasy provides the most scope and flexibility. My writing and my campaigns reflect that I suppose, heh? It makes for exciting reading, too, which then in turn inspires me to write other adventures and work on other projects or characters. Like with the ogre example!:)

I can just imagine the ogres all kneeling there in the gentle rain, their dark armour splattered with blood and dirt from the battle. Their knees bent, their voices, deep with emotion and faith, all reciting a solemn prayer in unison...their cloaks snapping and waving in the breeze...the paladins reciting the prayers, as they look around, a tear slowly running down their face in pride at listening to the valiant and noble ogres, brave converts to the true and holy faith, praying in devotion...Gotta have the players get in on something like this!:)

Excellent stuff Patrick!:)

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
 

SHARK said:
Greetings!

There are so many different design concepts that I struggle with. On one hand, you of course want everyone to like what you are writing, and you don't want the critics to shred you. Then on the other hand, you want to stay true to your own vision and write that which is distinctive, vivid, and gripping from your point of view. However, this approach has the danger of alienating a segment of the audience, and opens you up potentially to severe attack by the critics. On the other hand, though, being entirely generic and attempting to please "Everyone" often results that in the end, you really fail to please anyone. I have seen many, many generic kinds of supplements, and they are obviously trying so hard to fit into everybody, that the work is utterly flavorless and quite worthless, like a soggy MRE. I want to please people, and I'm not a "personality snob"--like insisting that everything be just the total way that I want it, or I'll pack up my toys and go home!:)--but at the same time, I want to design stuff that while generally pleasing, isn't something that doesn't engage my vision and passion. It's a strange dance, but I imagine that you understand, heh?

Sometimes I also get bogged down in writing and rewriting, searching for the Holy Grail, so to speak, becasue as I read my drafts, I always think that I can do better. meanwhile, the gentle reminders from myself about keeping aware of the deadlines and such...it can get frustrating, to be sure.

I'm having a great time though! How about you?

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Hey SHARK;

The things you describe are, I think, the writer's essential conflicts.

For myself, I've set myself to this wavelength. I work to please:

Myself
My Editor
The Audience
The Critic

In that order. I do it for these reasons:

If my work inspires me, it flows better, it's more creative and inventive, and it achieves a distinctive style.

In turn, that helps to ensure that

the work inspires my editor, it gets published. Ultimately, the writer's customer is his editor. If the editor is inspired by the work, the writer gets more jobs. Beyond that, the writer is the stand-in for the larger audience.

If he likes it, it's a sure bet

a segment of the audience will like it. I gave up trying to write for the "audience" as a whole a long time ago. There are simply too many tastes and styles out there. As you said, in the attempt to please everyone, you end up pleasing no one. In a group of 10,000 customers, I would rather write a work that absolutely satisfied 50-75% of them, than a book that all 100% bought and thought was "okay". Ideally, of course, an author would love to write a book that absolutely satisfied everyone, but not even Shakespeare pulled off that trick.

Last come the critics.

Not because they aren't important, but because they are part of the larger audience (albeit a more vocal segment than most ;)). If you have already written a book that speaks to you, your editor and a good segment of the audience, then you raise your chances of getting a good reaction from the critics. Ultimately though, because critics are part of the wider audience, with their own tastes and preferences, you aren't ever going to please them all, and if try, you end up simply pandering.

Because nobody likes a suckup. :)


As to the second bit, you have the same problem I do. I pour over sentences, agonize over ideas and flow much more than I should. It can, and does, cause problems when deadlines get close.

This last month has been BAD for deadline anxiety. 7 different deadlines, seven sets of "Is it good enough???".

Ultimately, I think your performance anxiety will ease after your first work is released to the shelves. I know it's been getting easier to trust my own prose with each new piece that hits the shelf.

If you haven't already, read both Ray Bradbury's Zen and the Art of Writing, and Stephen King's On Writing. Both are inspirational, both are written by authors familiar with the peculiar concerns of fantastical fiction, and both will help you be more confident in your own talent.

Patrick Y.

PS: I do enjoy the "Mountain Fortress" thread. My own campaigns, and writings, tend to deal more with fairy tale sensibilities, but I enjoy the SHARK style as well. I find the trials and tribulations of the Vallorean empire to be... cathartic, in much the same way that watching the 13th Warrior, Gladiator or the final battle sequence of the Fellowship of the Ring is.

Patrick Y.
 

Now that is quite a vivid dream. Who else wants to see a prestige class of the "Brotherhood of Honor's Burden?" I may attempt to write one, if I find the time this week.
 

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