Shifter PrC (MotW) & Epic Feats

Regeneration provides no healing abilities, it just makes damage taken subdual and allows you to recoup that subdual faster than normal.

If you suffer 59 damage then shapeshift via spell into a troll, you don't heal anything but damage inflicted after the shift. :)

I don't know if any forms grant fast healing as an ability, so that could be a way..
 

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Jeremy said:
Regeneration provides no healing abilities, it just makes damage taken subdual and allows you to recoup that subdual faster than normal.

If you suffer 59 damage then shapeshift via spell into a troll, you don't heal anything but damage inflicted after the shift. :)

Hmm, could you give a reference for that? I'd say any damage recieved before or after the shift into a troll would be healed via regeneration (except fire and acid damage). There are some regeneration spells (MotW?) that work as you described.

Jeremy said:
I don't know if any forms grant fast healing as an ability, so that could be a way..

The Retriever (construct, look at the demon entry) from MM I has gotten Fast Healing after being errated, as have some Celestials (Planetar, Solar), IIRC.
 

Hmm, the limit of /day on Wild Shape-healing makes sense.

Also makes sense that Wild Shaping into a Troll (or Trendriculos or etc) won't help you with damage you've already taken -- Regeneration justr converts most all damage to subdual damage, and allows that subdual damage to heal at a very quick rate.

Here's a question for y'all -- I've not found anything to the contrary, but can a Shifter use Greater Wild Shape to assume the form of a Templated creature? The GWS ability allows one to assume Undead forms, and most Undead are templates. For now the DM is saying "Yes" (being able to turn into a Fire Element Creature Housefly to do some scouting on the Elemental Plane of Fire was incredibly useful), but I was wondering if there was any official rulin' (I've not found any).

Also, a Shifter can use his GWS ability to become Constructs... which would include Animated Objects... which means I could become a toaster... :P
 

The favorite form of the shifter in our party was a T-Rex. The character also had levels in frenzied berserker. It was not pretty when he got angry.

He especially liked the swallow whole ability. Didn't work out so good when he swallowed a vampire. It was clawing its way out of him level draining as it went.
 

I've not found anything to the contrary, but can a Shifter use Greater Wild Shape to assume the form of a Templated creature? The GWS ability allows one to assume Undead forms, and most Undead are templates.

Um.

Most undead are templates?

In the Core Rules :

Templated Undead
Ghost
Lich
Vampire

Untemplated Undead
Allip
Bodak
Devourer
Ghast
Ghoul
Mohrg
Mummy
Nightshades
Shadow
Skeleton
Spectre
Vampire Spawn
Wight
Wraith
Zombie

... most?

-Hyp.
 

On the WotC Site you can find Templates for Skeleton and Zombie. Monte Cook's website has a Ghoul and Ghast Template. In last October's issue of Dragon, there was the Mummy, Wight, and Wraith Template. Combined with the Ghost, Lich, and Vampire Templates found in the MM, that's over half the undead in that book, which technically is the majority ;)


At any rate, my question still stands -- can a Shifter use their GWS ability to become a templated creature, like a Fire Element Creature Housefly or a Vampire version of yourself (remembering that you only gain the Extraordinary abilities, not Supernatural or Spell-Like ones, so all a GWS Vampire would gain is Blood Drain, Fast Heal 5, Resistances, and Spider Climb -- no Energy Drain, Children of the Night, Create Spawn, Damage Reduction, or Gaseous Form; Weaknesses might or might not be gained)?

And since a Shifter can use GWS to become Constructs, does that mean he can become Animated Objects, and thus become any object he's familiar with (assuming it falls into his size and HD range)? I'm guessing right off the bat that nothing containing metal would be allowed (since it is primarily a Druid PrC, and Druids are prohibited from using metal arms & armor), so no Iron Golems or suits of Plate Mail or iron rods...
 
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I believe that sage said that the Shifter could not assume Template'd forms.

I don't have anything to back that up right this second, but I will look into it.
 

Hand of Vecna said:
And since a Shifter can use GWS to become Constructs, does that mean he can become Animated Objects, and thus become any object he's familiar with (assuming it falls into his size and HD range)? I'm guessing right off the bat that nothing containing metal would be allowed (since it is primarily a Druid PrC, and Druids are prohibited from using metal arms & armor), so no Iron Golems or suits of Plate Mail or iron rods...

Yep. Shifters can become mundane objects when they get Construct Shape.

As for metal... Well, there's nothing that says they can't, and the Druid doesn't forbid metal weapons-- it just gives a list of specific weapons a Druid can use. Since that list is both arbitrary, confusing, and painfully incomplete, it isn't much help.

Also, there are other routes into Shifter that fully allow metal weapons and armor-- so the Shifter class itself does not forbid them.
 

On the WotC Site you can find Templates for Skeleton and Zombie.

Monte Cook's website has a Ghoul and Ghast Template.

In last October's issue of Dragon, there was the Mummy, Wight, and Wraith Template.

Sure, there are variant rules out there to allow one to template undead.

But the splatbooks only explicitly reference the Core Rules.

If people had produced templates for every undead creature in the Monster Manual, it still wouldn't be accurate to say "All undead are templates" in the Rules forum...

-Hyp.
 

Oni said:
I believe that sage said that the Shifter could not assume Template'd forms.

I don't have anything to back that up right this second, but I will look into it.

The Sage actually said in a private mail that templated creatures are allowed, and, just for reference, that the Subtype abilities, even if Ex, were not included in the abilities the Shifter gets..

Both rulings are questionable IMHO.. ..the templates are ok as long as you cannot apply a template you see to all the creatures you can shift into -and that's common ruling-. More, the templates give a Shifter a thin edge over the Shapechange spell, thus making it worth to be a Shifter (power wise) also at levels 16-20.
I really don't understand why you shouldn't get the subtype abilities. Skip probably ruled that way due to the fact a Shifter doesn't change his Type, so it made sense he didn't gain subtype, still it's fun to think at a Fire Elemental not immune to fire..

No official (published) reference on these, but you can find the mail posted at Wizards boards, Masters of the Wild, Shifter Thread...
 

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