D&D 5E Should Ranger/Paladin get 1 level 1 spellslot at 1st level?

[FrogReaver]

Should Ranger/Paladin get 1 level 1 spell at 1st level?

 

[FrogReaver]

Clarification: Speaking primarily about the PHB version of them.

 

[GX.Sigma]

No. They get spellcasting at level 2.

 

[Lanliss]

Depends on if you mean "Should" or "Do". By RAW, No, they get it at 2nd level. If you are talking about "should", that will be subjective, and a decision for you or whoever happens to be DM.

 

[FrogReaver]

Depends on if you mean "Should" or "Do". By RAW, No, they get it at 2nd level. If you are talking about "should", that will be subjective, and a decision for you or whoever happens to be DM.

Saying "should" was no mistake. I'm all for that subjective conversation. Thus this thread.

 

[FrogReaver]

No. They get spellcasting at level 2.

Not if the DM rules otherwise

Should the DM rule otherwise?

 

[GX.Sigma]

Not if the DM rules otherwise

Should the DM rule otherwise?

As a DM, I wouldn't. A 1st-level Ranger or Paladin would be too much stronger than a 1st-level Fighter if they got all their class features and spellcasting.

 

[FrogReaver]

As a DM, I wouldn't. A 1st-level Ranger or Paladin would be too much stronger than a 1st-level Fighter if they got all their class features and spellcasting.

Not seeing it. I suppose it depends on how much you value divine sense and favored enemy/natural explorer at level 1.

During a whole campaign I could make a case these are valuable abilities. IMO at level 1 they rarely see play.

 

[GX.Sigma]

I'm assuming that Fighters, Rangers, and Paladins are all balanced at 1st level. Giving some of them extra features would unbalance them.

Do you disagree with this assumption?

 

[FrogReaver]

I'm assuming that Fighters, Rangers, and Paladins are all balanced at 1st level. Giving some of them extra features would unbalance them.

Do you disagree with this assumption?

yes. IMO ranger and paladin are underpowered at level 1 compared to barbarian or fighter (at least in combat. nor do I believe their other level 1 abilities make up for that at level 1 in the other pillars)