Shrink Item

[anest1s]

I think the question is the other way around. Why shouldN'T it be?

Because we aren't talking about activating a magic item, neither dismissing a spell, we are talking about the effect a spell has.

Dropping the shrunk item is a free action, so is talking. Except if you want to throw it more than 5 ft away. I can't see why dropping it should work faster than saying the command word.

Also glove of storing both shrinks and unshrinks an item as a free action. Not sure that has any meaning though.

 

[Jimlock]

Since when is an unspecified action a free action?

I might be wrong, I'm just asking...


EDIT: Forgive me, since when is a command word a free action?

 

[anest1s]

Since when is an unspecified action a free action?

I might be wrong, I'm just asking...


EDIT: Forgive me, since when is a command word a free action?

Talking is, so talking a word should also be.

 

[Jimlock]

Talking is, so talking a word should also be.

You are correct sir.

I acknowledge that i failed to see the obvious.

By RAW, speaking a few words in a round is a free action indeed.

.....Now, something VERY interesting is this:

Shrink Item
Transmutation
Level: Sor/Wiz 3
Components: V, S
Casting Time: 1 standard action
Range: Touch
Target: One touched object of up to 2 cu. ft./level
Duration: One day/level; see text
Saving Throw: Will negates (object)
Spell Resistance: Yes (object)


(D) Dismissible
If the Duration line ends with "(D)," you can dismiss the spell at will. You must be within range of the spell’s effect and must speak words of dismissal, which are usually a modified form of the spell’s verbal component. If the spell has no verbal component, you can dismiss the effect with a gesture. Dismissing a spell is a standard action that does not provoke attacks of opportunity.

Now, since shrink item does not abide to to (D), does this mean that i can speak the word from wherever I want?

...Or do I have to abide to (D) as far as range is concerned? In this case, the caster can undo the spell only when touching it?

Since (D) is nowhere to be mentioned, the caster can undo the spell even if there are hundreds of miles separating him from the item! Insane right!!

 

[Dandu]

Instant Summons allows you to summon a prepared object to hand from many miles away.

 

[anest1s]

You are correct sir.

I acknowledge that i failed to see the obvious.

By RAW, speaking a few words in a round is a free action indeed.

.....Now, something VERY interesting is this:

Shrink Item
Transmutation
Level: Sor/Wiz 3
Components: V, S
Casting Time: 1 standard action
Range: Touch
Target: One touched object of up to 2 cu. ft./level
Duration: One day/level; see text
Saving Throw: Will negates (object)
Spell Resistance: Yes (object)


(D) Dismissible
If the Duration line ends with "(D)," you can dismiss the spell at will. You must be within range of the spell’s effect and must speak words of dismissal, which are usually a modified form of the spell’s verbal component. If the spell has no verbal component, you can dismiss the effect with a gesture. Dismissing a spell is a standard action that does not provoke attacks of opportunity.

Now, since shrink item does not abide to to (D), does this mean that i can speak the word from wherever I want?

...Or do I have to abide to (D) as far as range is concerned? In this case, the caster can undo the spell only when touching it?

Since (D) is nowhere to be mentioned, the caster can undo the spell even if there are hundreds of miles separating him from the item! Insane right!!

Exactly! You should be able to do it from anywhere. Except you don't undo the spell, you just unshrink the item, as an action described within the spells effect.

Edit: Now I am thinking combinations of Shrink Item with Alarm...^^

 

[Jimlock]

yeah well, you are talking about a 7th level spell that does just that, while shrink item is a 3rd level spell...

A lot of interesting uses pop into mind right now...

Since you can shrink fire, imagine going into the villain's castle, setting up a fire, then shrinking it, and then moving it under some flammable material. Then you leave, and from safe distance you speak the word and the castle bursts into flames! lol...

Same thing with dams... use a shrunk item as a part of a dam, leave, and then make the whole thing collapse from a distance!!

 

[Dandu]

Secret Chest allows you to retrieve and extraplanar chest just by concentration for one standard action and is 5th level.

I would say that being able to affect a spell like Shrink Item just by speaking the command word, from a great distance, has precedent in other spells.

 

[Greenfield]

I'm unsure that you could use a Shrink Item spell to do the dam buster thing. There's nothing in the spell to tell how much force the item exerts when resuming normal size.

How would you rule using Shrink Item on a keg of nails or caltrops, and sliding the rolled up cloth-like result into an iron pipe. Would it act like a pip-bomb when the Shrink Item spell ends? What burst area? What damage?

Would the pipe start shooting nails or caltrops out the ends? What speed? What range? Remember, the item has to come back to full size PDQ, so you need a way to accommodate 10 cubic feet of sharp pointy iron things inside a few cubic inches of unyeilding space, all in a round or less. Something's got to give.

I think you all know my interpretation: If there isn't room for it to expand, it doesn't. I take that from the Enlarge Person spell, in case anyone needs the reference.

 

[Dannyalcatraz]

I'm unsure that you could use a Shrink Item spell to do the dam buster thing. There's nothing in the spell to tell how much force the item exerts when resuming normal size.

Do it the other way around- include full-sized items that has been subjected to the spell inside some of the bricks, then speak the command to shrink them. The resulting void will be under the full pressure of the dam's mass, and should crumble in short order. Heck, apply the spell to the bricks themselves.

The same could be done with the keystone of an arch, a door, whatever.