Sleep and VoP

[glass]

I was wondering if the assembled genius of ENworld could help me with a couple of questions which have arisen recently.


Firstly, when more than 4 HD of creatures are within the area of a sleep spell, how exactly does it work? Do all the eligible targets have to make saves, and then those who fail fall asleep in the order described in the spell? Or do only the 4 HD worth of creatures have to make saves at all? I would have said the latter, but the wording of the spell seems to support either interpretation.


Secondly, I have a character who is a paladin with the Vow of Poverty feat from the BoED. I have agreed with the DM that I can have my mount which is more a companion than property (after all, I can't sell it). However, a saddle would most certainly be property, so I am likely to be riding bareback.

So the questions here are: are we right to think my paladin can have the mount but no saddle, and if so, what would the penalties be for riding bareback? If not, why not?

If it makes any difference, we are playing (mostly) 3.5 but with the paladin's mount houseruled back to the 3.0 version. I am going to wait a couple of levels and get a lion mount (using the optional mount rules from DoTF), but the same would seem to apply with a horse.

Thanks in advance.


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EDIT: missing question mark

 

[Flyspeck23]

Firstly, when more than 4 HD of creatures are within the area of a sleep spell, how exactly does it work? Do all the eligible targets have to make saves, and then those who fail fall asleep in the order described in the spell? Or do only the 4 HD worth of creatures have to make saves at all? I would have said the latter, but the wording of the spell seems to support either interpretation.

The spell affects the lowest HD first, and these are the only targets of the spell. If they make their save or not is irrelevant for all other creatures - they won't be affected by it.
So it's indeed the latter.

Secondly, I have a character who is a paladin with the Vow of Poverty feat from the BoED. I have agreed with the DM that I can have my mount which is more a companion than property (after all, I can't sell it). However, a saddle would most certainly be property, so I am likely to be riding bareback.

So the questions here are: are we right to think my paladin can have the mount but no saddle, and if so, what would the penalties be for riding bareback? If not, why not?

Learn riding without a saddle

Seriously, your mount isn't an item (but a quasi-magic companion), so your character isn't forced to abandon the steed (horse or lion or whatever).
A saddle OTOH shouldn't be allowed, as it is neither weapon or clothing (the only exceptions). One could argue that the saddle is the property of the mount, but that seems a little far-stretched.

Riding bareback isn't that awful (-5 penalty), at least at higher levels. Take Skill Focus (Ride) if you must, but maxing Ride should suffice.

 

[frankthedm]

Seriously, your mount isn't an item (but a quasi-magic companion), so your character isn't forced to abandon the steed (horse or lion or whatever).

Now if you were using the 3.5 paladin mount, then the PokeBall would count as property.

 

[-Warlord-]

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Originally Posted by Flyspeck23

Seriously, your mount isn't an item (but a quasi-magic companion), so your character isn't forced to abandon the steed (horse or lion or whatever).

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If your DM thinks otherwise......does that mean you have to donate your lion to charity?
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