Sneak Attacks on Rays

[Storm Raven]

Once again, I urge you to ease up a bit. Harsh comments like these are simply not needed or appropriate.

First off, you are not urging me "once again". This was my first post in this thread, so you are not "once again" telling me anything.

Second, I disagree. harsh comments are both needed and approriate. Especially when someone is being silly, like Eccles was.

 

[Eccles]

Once again, I urge you to ease up a bit. Harsh comments like these are simply not needed or appropriate.

Thank you. That's much more reasonable. You and I can agree to disagree. But I may have to keep going in a blazing row with some of the others...

My reasoning for all of this is much the same as Mr Radish's above. It's an uncomfortable thing. And he has my sympathy with the Spellfire Sneaks!!

Meanwhile, I'm going to keep feeling sorry for the poor rogue whose AC sneak attacks are being devalued by the naughty sorceror / rogues. What I'm proposing might not be 100% following the rules. However, I maintain (on this as well as other points) that the rules are not perfect. They don't make sense in all cases, and occasionally deserve changing.

And to the gentleman who asked (I'm sorry, but I forget your name) this is one of very few House Rules to date. In fact, there are 2 others. I've increased Rangers, since nobody likes them, and instituted very limited armour damage. And if someone wants to tell me that because there are no rules for it, then armour isn't damaged by being repeatedly beaten with a two handed axe, then bring it on!

 

[Artoomis]

First off, you are not urging me "once again". This was my first post in this thread, so you are not "once again" telling me anything.

Second, I disagree. harsh comments are both needed and approriate. Especially when someone is being silly, like Eccles was. [/B]

Sorry - the "you" was meant to be a generic "you," not you singled out. It didn't some across that way. My most humble apologies.

Harsh comments are never needed or appropriate on this board except, possibly, from an administrator warning someone to cease and desist bad behavior.

 

[Storm Raven]

Further, any rogue with UMD and a ray of frost can do this. And not lose _any_ levels of rogue effectiveness. Think of the 10th level rogue, trying to take out a 10th lvl fighter, in his breastplate +3, wielding a dancing shield +2 and a +2 Greatsword. Ranged touch vs ranged? Of course he'll pick up a couple ray of frost 3/day wands! He'll carry a stash of arrows to shoot at the high dex characters, so that he can do more attacks, each of which can sneak, and he'll have the rays, which will hit much better. He's all the more effective.

Effective against people denied their Dexterity bonus. Yipee.

So he is more effective against people who are flat footed (except for rogues, barbarians, or members of one of the myriad of PrCs that provide for Uncanny Dodge), people who are running, climbing, paralyzed, held and who are otherwise helpless.

He can't flank, since a flank attack has to be made with a melee weapon (see the description of flanking in the PHB), and his base damage is 1d3.

Wow. I'm very impressed with how "effective" this character is.

 

[Storm Raven]

Harsh comments are never needed or appropriate on this board except, possibly, from an administrator warning someone to cease and desist bad behavior.

Uh-huh.

I still disagree. Personal attacks are out of line. Profanity is out of line. Harsh comments are prefectly okay.

 

[Artoomis]

BTW - since we are going dwon this road, here's what was agreed to when registering for this board:

..."you will not post any messages that are obscene, vulgar, sexually-orientated, hateful, threatening, or otherwise violative of any laws..."

I suppose there is a difference between "harsh" and "hateful," but it's really just a matter of degree. Telling someone they shouldn't DM because they are stupid (which was essentially what was done), is mighty close to "hateful" in my book.

I think any form of personal attack is "hateful" - and I'd include this as a form of personal attack. I think Eric's Grandmother would not approve.

 

[kreynolds]

Man, that sounds exactly like what my 3rd grade teacher, mrs Onsberg, used to say to me.

Actually, they all used to say that, oh well ..

Same here...but I killed them.

 

[AGGEMAM]

Same here...but I killed them.

I did write, they used to say it, right ? ..

EDIT: I do not know if your 'smilies' works properly.

 

[drowdude]

Uh-huh.

I still disagree. Personal attacks are out of line. Profanity is out of line. Harsh comments are prefectly okay.

Often, there is a VERY fine line between personal attacks and harsh comments... and it would seem that everyone has a different definition of where that line is drawn...

 

[kreynolds]

Often, there is a VERY fine line between personal attacks and harsh comments... and it would seem that everyone has a different definition of where that line is drawn...

What? There's a line!?! (Just kidding)

Seriously though, I thought that line meant, "Step on up to plate!". (just kidding...again)