So...How are Sales of 4E Product?

[Garnfellow]

I doubt it will. GR has from the get-go of 4e not been supportive, nor shown any interest in supporting the game. I think many people will not be interested in a 4e product coming from you guys. I mean, why buy a 4e product from a company that seems to have next to no interest in supporting the game?

Green Ronin's stated problems have been more with the sucktastic GSL than 4e itself. You'll note that there are lots of other companies in the same boat. Please don't confuse anyone's aversion to a crappy license with lack of interest in a new system.

This is of course just my personal opinion, and I could be completely wrong.

Yeah, you could be.

 

[CaptainChaos]

This is not true. One of Chris' earliest 4E blogs talks about Green Ronin's intent to do Power Cards for 4E, which they were unable to do (IIRC) because of the GSL.

Yeah, if you read his blog, you'll see that Green Ronin did seriously consider doing 4E stuff and was by no means against the new edition from the start. Chris has been posting his thoughts from time to time since the announcement of 4E two summers ago. Look at this post from January, for example:

Ex-Teenage Rebel: Some Further Thoughts

This was in the period when WotC was going to charge $5,000 for early access to 4E, which they later changed their mind about.

 

[Jack99]

This is not true. One of Chris' earliest 4E blogs talks about Green Ronin's intent to do Power Cards for 4E, which they were unable to do (IIRC) because of the GSL.

Here's the link - see the third entry.

Yes. Maybe anti-4e was a bit too strong, and anti-GSL is more correct. The blog I was thinking about was mostly talking about 4e as being a bad game for new players (blog post nr 5 in your link).

Fact is still, that afaik, GR was very quick to come out and say that they would not be supporting 4e in a significant way. Which results in the same as pointed out above. (EDIT: They already said in july that the Folio would most likely be the only 4e product from GR in 2008 and 2009 - Link

Don't get me wrong. I understand why GR made that decision, and I think it was the right decision for them. I think it is a pity, because I would rather have them make 4e stuff, but as is, with the crappy GSL, it's just not realistic. But my feelings of GR doesn't change that I still think that their lack of focus on 4e products will affect the sales of the Character Record Folio. I hope I am wrong.

Cheers

 

[The Highway Man]

Yet when Mearls, Rouse and Slavichek all post about how 4e is breaking all sorts of records, selling extremely well, all the nay-sayers keep questioning these statements, claiming there are no hard facts.

sigh

Simple really: I believe WotC makes it a habit of lying, embellishing facts or selecting them to suit their marketing needs. Not that I blame them as a corporation for doing so, mind you. It's just that I'm done being naive about it.

 

[The Little Raven]

Simple really: I believe WotC makes it a habit of lying, embellishing facts or selecting them to suit their marketing needs. Not that I blame them as a corporation for doing so, mind you. It's just that I'm done being naive about it.

Accusations of fraud should be accompanied by actual facts to support the accusation. Otherwise, it's just unsubstantiated libel.

 

[thecasualoblivion]

Accusations of fraud should be accompanied by actual facts to support the accusation. Otherwise, it's just unsubstantiated libel.

Not to mention the whiff of wishful thinking...

 

[Imaro]

I won't go so far as to call the representatives of WotC "liars", but alot of their statements ( close to, during and after the announcement of 4e)...have made me feel that the things they say should be examined and taken literally since the implied meaning, which most would probably take from their statements, may be later argued as "not exactly what they said"...also, one should not expect them to correct said statements if an implied meaning is bandied about.

 

[The Little Raven]

also, one should not expect them to correct said statements if an implied meaning is bandied about.

Well, they probably avoid jumping on on conversations like this because there's no point. If you're going to call someone a liar, nothing they come and "correct" is going to have an impact on you, since you made up your mind already.

If Scott or Mike or any of them responded to the Highway Man's accusations of deception, why would he believe them since he's already called them liars?

 

[Cadfan]

I doubt it will. GR has from the get-go of 4e not been supportive, nor shown any interest in supporting the game. I think many people will not be interested in a 4e product coming from you guys. I mean, why buy a 4e product from a company that seems to have next to no interest in supporting the game?

This is of course just my personal opinion, and I could be completely wrong.

Good luck with it.

I roughly agree with your characterization of GR (their initial reaction wasn't really what I would have planned for them if I were their publicist), but I don't think it will matter to their sales. They didn't commit any total gaffes, they just seemed tepid instead of excited, which is easily forgotten. The general mass of fans doesn't know who GR is, and those who do won't remember their initial reaction to 4e.

There are a few third party people who, thanks to their behavior during the lead in to 4e, I will never, ever support. But that mostly has to do with them displaying poor reasoning skills, a tendency to jump to conclusions, and a general bitterness- all traits that suggest negative things about their work. I don't think GR did any of that. If they did, it went under my radar, and I was pretty tuned in. So if I missed it, well, most everybody probably missed it.

 

[JoeGKushner]

To be fair, Paizo does not sell at all through the FLGS. I think that Paizo has made a mistake with the stores with their subscription program. The stores have little incentive to stock it.

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Games Plus and Black Sun Games carry them.