So Int does NOT add to skills

[Kraydak]

Which is particularly bizarre considering that, in archetypes of myth and legend, hell, in the very human psyche, I'd suggest, intelligence and agility often go together, but strength and intelligent rarely do.

Indeed. To take 2 stats that are *very strongly* correlated in common archetypes and make them redundant, prioritizing anti-correlation, is downright stupid. It means that playing to common archetypes is self-nerfing. While from a design point of view you want all the options to be roughly balanced from a practical point of view the popular character concepts should take priority. Int+Dex is very, very popular (heck, probably the most popular).

 

[cignus_pfaccari]

Yeah, now we're back to the rules not supporting an Intelligent rogue, really.
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I don't buy it. It has to do SOMETHING else.

Remember, we've been told before that a rogue will get to add their Int to their skills.

But, really, I think the Intelligent Rogue is more of a 3e artifact than anything else. I think 4e is going to have the Cunning Rogue.

Brad

 

[Fallen Seraph]

Hmm... I dunno if anyone at DDXP is still on the forum, and not right now at the convention but...

If you get the chance, ask one of the developers about Intelligence, or if not today tomorrow. Could make this wondering a lot easier with more concrete knowledge.

 

[mach1.9pants]

Remember, we've been told before that a rogue will get to add their Int to their skills.

But, really, I think the Intelligent Rogue is more of a 3e artifact than anything else. I think 4e is going to have the Cunning Rogue.

Brad

We were told in R&C, released a long time ago that this is the case. However the Sneak Attack article mentions nothing of the sort, so IMO that class feature has been removed.

INT is a dump stat for most characters now, but so is CHA or WIS, depending on your class. As 3E the mental stats aren't as important, overall, as the physical. But the 2 ability scores feeding into defences does allow a Ranger, for example, to be charming and not lose out on Will Def cos he dumped WIS rather than CHA.

 

[AZRogue]

I don't imagine that Int increasing the number of Trained Skills at 1st will be particularly rules breaking. I imagine it will be a popular option.

Not for me, though. I don't mind one way or the other as I play my character as I imagine him, and not just how his scores are distributed.

 

[Zoatebix]

unless initiative is somehow vastly less important than in 3E, this is a HUGE deal

From the dungeon delve that I played, 4e combat plays out over three or four times as many rounds as 3e combat, so the importance of initiative is diminished a bit.

 

[Stogoe]

I don't imagine that Int increasing the number of Trained Skills at 1st will be particularly rules breaking.

Go look at the Rogue's class skill list. If you add Int to number of Trained Skills, he is The Best at everything. He can pick up all of his class skills.

This is the reason that Int doesn't add to number of trained skills.

 

[Campbell]

Go look at the Rogue's class skill list. If you add Int to number of Trained Skills, he is The Best at everything. He can pick up all of his class skills.

This is the reason that Int doesn't add to number of trained skills.

You also end up with jiggered situations where classes like wizards are better with skills than intended.

 

[sukael]

Int being unrelated to skill gain might finally make a non-book-smart - but cunning - rogue not optimizational suicide.

 

[AZRogue]

Go look at the Rogue's class skill list. If you add Int to number of Trained Skills, he is The Best at everything. He can pick up all of his class skills.

This is the reason that Int doesn't add to number of trained skills.

Could very well be true, but if you allowed the Int skills to select skills from the general skills list instead of your Class list, it shouldn't break anything. The world won't end.

I, personally, don't think it's needed as everyone will be at least adequate for most skills anyway, the way they work now. But if someone wanted to add it in, I think it would be one of the most benign house rules.