So, life (on Earth) is much older than what was thought...

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According to a documentary I did see, life on Earth is much, much older than what was believed before.

Well, to begin with, it is well known that life on Earth began to evolve approximately 500 millions of years ago. And scientists were wondering why it had waited for a so long time before starting...

But then, scientists discovered that some primitive, and extremely resistant micro-organism began to exist 3 billions of years ago (3000 millions rather than 500). However, at that epoch, Earth didn't have... a moon!! The moon came to Earth approximately 500 millions of years ago, when a passing small planet crashed into the Earth. This was an utterly blast of fire horror, and everything on earth's surface was melted down, and boiled at 4000 degree celsius, and took 1 million of years to cool down.

Everything was destroyed except some of these resistant micro-organisms that were kept intact deep into the crust, in some places filled with water, that survived the crash. So, when Earth had cooled down (about 500 millions years ago), they immediately began to "evolve" and much later, here **we** are.


From that point on, everything is speculation on my part, and the subject of this thread... :cool:


So what happened before? Think that the micro-organisms had already had 2500 millions of years to evolve into something, compared to a mere 500 millions were **we** are concerned. Can you imagine our Earth with a much different environment, but a life that could well have evolved at our own human level of complexity, and maybe even much further?? :confused: They had the time for that!!

As a gamer, it all reminds me of Lovecraft and his stories of incredibly ancient races, absolutely alien and unfathomable, that populated the Earth in a past so remote, that to think about it would make you mad (roll a sanity check at DC 17 please).

Well, if only he could have known... :D
 
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The 3.5 ish billion YA date for life has been around for a while, but 500 million YA is a much later date for the lunar capture than I've seen.
 
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I really like to soak up this type of info; very interesting. Thanks. :)

So they think the moon was formed by a planet crashing into the Earth? Wow.

I watched a documentary myself recently that said that the Milky Way and Andromeda are on a collision course. Our Milky Way has eaten up other smaller galaxies in the past; however, Andromeda is much bigger than the Milky Way, so our galaxy will just not the same after that happens (in about 10 billion years).

Of course, they also say the sun has about 5 billion years of fuel left before it expands (or explodes) and turns our planet to ashes.
 

Life dissipates energy. You need to give it some kind of incentive in order to get it to develop into highly complex forms (or even mildly complex forms). Otherwise, it just kinda settles down into a comfortable routine and won't move out of it's parent's basement. Having your house fall down around your ears gives you a pretty good incentive to rebuild everything, and now you don't have an excuse to put in all of those things you've always wanted to add but could never find a reason *to* add. Of course, once you start adding those things, your neighbors start getting ideas and before you know it, *everybody* is playing "Keeping up with the Joneses".

I think there have been upwards of five or six worldwide mass extinctions. In each case, life had reached a point of relative complacency and afterwards, life just underwent a *massive* shift in approach. One of those extinctions happened after a type of microbe started farting out oxygen as waste and ended up poisioning the atmosphere and killed off most of the other types of life at that point (humans aren't the first species on this planet to cause environmental pollution).

I could probably babble on about the subject and all kinds of other technical bits of information I've picked up for hours on end. I keep trying to figure out how I can turn it into a career of some kind.
 

neat, neat and neat.


I love historial geography and love to wonder about life before. I wonder what life will look like after the next evolutionary breakdown and restart.....
 


RedWick said:
One of those extinctions happened after a type of microbe started farting out oxygen as waste and ended up poisioning the atmosphere and killed off most of the other types of life at that point (humans aren't the first species on this planet to cause environmental pollution).

This is quote worthy. I'm going to have to squirrel it away for later.
 

caudor said:
Of course, they also say the sun has about 5 billion years of fuel left before it expands (or explodes) and turns our planet to ashes.

I wonder where I'll be in 5 billion years. hmm....

Actually, everyone knows the Earth has been populated in the past numerous times by different, highly intelligent creatures almost beyond our imagination. That's why I like gaming in 700 (million) BCE. :)
 

IIRC - and I'm not quite sure that I, in fact, RC - one of the problems with the start of life is that the estimates for the time it takes for a simple organism to pop out of an inorganic primordial soup by chance are on the order of a few billions years. If life started 3 billions years ago, then it appeared a bit faster than that, though not orders of magnitude faster. A half billion years ago for the start of life would match the figures for abiogenesis, but it would leave a half billion years for evolution, which could be a bit short to get to humans (but again, not orders of magnitude short).

OTOH, I've also heard that recent computer simulations seem to indicate that evolution works faster than thought before. IIRC, a simulation went from "light-sensitive cells" to "quite decent eye" in just a few thousand generations. If I had to place a bet, I'd say that it took most of the planet's existance to make the abysmally low chance of spontaneous life generation happen, and then not more than one billion years for evolution to happen. This is what sounds most plausible to my ears, but I'm far from being an expert.

Last time I heard, the formation of the Moon was a hotly debated topic too. The hypotesis of a collision isn't certain yet. Anyway, the really big step is from inorganic to organic, and I doubt that anything short of Death Star-like planetary destruction or a really close gamma burst could undo that.
 


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