Pathfinder 1E So the question is... why is pathfinder selling so well?

Hey, all. Long time lurker, first time poster.

Pathfinder is selling well because they are putting out a lot of product, particularly in the game aids section (maps, tokens/figures) and adventures/adventure paths. Constant content and a loyal fan base from 3.5 equals good sales. It helps that other companies aren't being currently competitive, either through lulls in their product cycles (WotC) or by catering to indie or niche markets. D&D has long been the king of the RPG market. Players like new content. Paizo is the only one currently providing it in bulk. It's as simple as that.

If the question is "Why do so many find Pathfinder appealing?" For some groups, it's a continuation of familiarity with 3.5. Many players aren't interested in even trying anything different. For many DMs, it's that adventure paths offer a steady stream of content they don't have to create on their own. For many/most players it's the player empowerment and sheer amount of character options (races, feats, spells, traits, features, archetypes, magic items, etc.) that are the true selling point.

Pathfinder IS popular, but that doesn't mean it's overwhelmingly popular. Far more groups are playing other games. Some of these players absolutely despise Pathfinder while others see the possibility in Pathfinder but want to correct what they see are flaws. Posts from these gamers will be far more noticeable to a Pathfinder fan than posts ragging on other editions or Pathfinder posts on topics the fan isn't interested in. It's the nature of the internet beast. I wouldn't read too much into it.

I, myself, can't stand Pathfinder. I disagree with all of its core assumptions, deficient classes, bloated lists of trap options, wonky scaling, tedious combat and poorly worded rules. I will take any opportunity to say so (like now!).
 

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I think in large part it's because folks want to run it. I do.

Look at the Origins events list. A TON of Pathfinder events, with other D&D games lagging behind, combined. They are not all Pathfinder Society either. Looks like the largest second group of D&D games are 3.5 OGL games.

I don't even buy every book. Besides the core book I only own Ultimate Magic, Ultimate Combat and the Advanced Players Guide and a couple of soft covers. Though some of my players do own a ton of books. I have purchased other 3.5 era books to use in Pathfinder.

http://originsgamefair.com/events/games/

Note I have NOT done a detailed analysis, so take my by the thumb numbers with a big grain of salt.
 
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Pathfinder is selling well (for an PRG product at least) since it is the only significant in-print D&D version on the market. I don't play it but I do buy APs and other accessories since they put out qualityproducts.

Even though it doesn't have the D&D name it got its start by linked to 3.5, and the PF faithful do a good job promoting the brand and recruiting new players.
 

Pathfinder Society also plays an important part. I think it plays a big part.

It is STILL extremely popular and growing. It brings gamers to conventions and game stores. It drives sales because for every option the player with that character must own the book with that option and be able to show it at the game. With all the options available to look at for free and publicly available, that drives users to consider adding those options to their characters, and when they do they'll then need to buy the book.
 

. . . for every option the player with that character must own the book with that option and be able to show it at the game.

Really? The PRD doesn't count? Man I could see WotC being raked over the coals for trying something like this.

EDIT: Do book PDFs count?
 
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I think Paizo does the one thing a LOT of gamers have a hard time with, and that's making compelling adventures. So those are in high demand. And the rules that support those adventures sell because you need them.

And Pathfinder (like 3.x before it) is pretty good at anything up to 10th level. Most D&D games die by then, so the game's biggest flaws never come up.

I've enjoyed every interaction I've had with Paizo folks. I like their business model, I think they execute it well, and they are very welcoming to the community. I almost wish I played Pathfinder so I could support them. :D

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I still think it's a mistake to discount the innumerable misteps made by WotC over the course of the edition's life that have nothing to do with the actual content of the game that have helped to contribute to Pathfinder's success:
  • Canceling Dungeon and Dragon
  • An overly restrictive 3rd party license
  • Mismanaged software projects
  • Midstream move from native clients to web applications
  • Alienating core fans with Essentials in an attempt to get the whole pie.
  • Off putting presentation
  • Horrible early adventures (particulary Keep on the Shadowfall)
  • Lack of significant examples of play
  • Poor handling of the Forgotten Realms
  • Not having Robin Laws or Kenneth Hite write the DMG

Plus, Paizo is far more transparent and enjoyable to interact with particularly since Rob Heinsoo, Bruce Cordel, and Jonathan Tweet left Wizards. I don't like the design principles behind Pathfinder, but often wish I did.
 
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Pathfinder Society also plays an important part. I think it plays a big part.

It is STILL extremely popular and growing. It brings gamers to conventions and game stores. It drives sales because for every option the player with that character must own the book with that option and be able to show it at the game. With all the options available to look at for free and publicly available, that drives users to consider adding those options to their characters, and when they do they'll then need to buy the book.

THIS is an insidious little piece of marketing genius. ;) If the PFS is any significant portion of the PF player-base, that's certainly gonna bump up sales: "You can use all of these...all you need to do is buy a book or two!"
 

Really? The PRD doesn't count? Man I could see WotC being raked over the coals for trying something like this.

EDIT: Do book PDFs count?

Yes. I think PDF's count. They'll need the water mark of your email address on them. Also I'm not sure about families and pdf sharing/book sharing.

I do think Paizo has been raked over the coals, and complimented, sometimes in the same breadth.
 
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