Pathfinder 1E So what do you think is wrong with Pathfinder? Post your problems and we will fix it.

[EnglishLanguage]

As I read what you write, I can't help but think you don't think Pathfinder is fun and so you should probably not play it.

Is it necessary to be antagonistic towards those who do like it?

Fun is subjective, and I've never denied Pathfinder can be fun(I play it every week over roll20 and have fun with it).

What I will deny is that Pathfinder is a well-designed and balanced game.

 

[Steely Dan]

It seems clear to me that the martial power source is non-magical within the fictional 4e D&D universe.

You did not quote the PHB, the Martial Power source is clearly magical, in description and implementation.

 

[EnglishLanguage]

You did not quote the PHB, the Martial Power source is clearly magical, in description and implementation.

Name one magical ability Fighters get.

 

[Imaro]

It seems clear to me that the martial power source is non-magical within the fictional 4e D&D universe.

It's funny because I read that and come away totally confused on whether he is saying it is or isn't magical...

 

[GMforPowergamers]

You did not quote the PHB, the Martial Power source is clearly magical, in description and implementation.

If you have a quote to counter his really well phrased one why don't you post it?

 

[Steely Dan]

Name one magical ability Fighters get.

All of their powers are a type of magic, which makes perfect sense in the 4th Ed universe.

 

[Steely Dan]

If you have a quote to counter his really well phrased one why don't you post it?

My 4th Ed PHB is packed away, but if anyone has access to one, it is right there in black & white, no big deal.

Oh, and "well phrased" quote?

 

[GMforPowergamers]

All of their powers are a type of magic, which makes perfect sense in the 4th Ed universe.

Um so Cleave and Tide of iron are magical how? Heck how is wolf pack tactics or twin strike or sly flurish or commander strike magic at all?

 

[GMforPowergamers]

My 4th Ed PHB is packed away,

Oh, and "well phrased" quote?

Mine is as well that is why I am wondering but I ment he quoted a perfect explanation of what I want all D&D fighters to be like

 

[CM]

Martial: Martial powers are not magic in the traditional sense, although some martial powers stand well beyond the capabilities of ordinary mortals. Martial characters use their own strength and willpower to vanquish their enemies. Training and dedication replace arcane formulas and prayers to grant fighters, rangers, rogues, and warlords, among others, their power. Martial powers are called exploits.

Some people are going to point to that first sentence and interpret the martial power source as magic, some are not.

Personally, I've seen people demonstrate extraordinary, unbelievable abilities IRL, but I don't claim they're magical.