D&D (2024) So what happened to the new and classic campaign settings? (and what's next?)

Blue

Ravenous Bugblatter Beast of Traal
Chris Perkins said previously thst the example is fleshed out sufficiently to be used as-is..which makes sense with Greyhawk, excuse it can be fully detailed in a chapter.
Sure... which is still in a chapter devoted to making a setting. It explicitly is not a chapter on nothing but Greyhawk.
 

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Mercurius

Legend
I still think D&D "needs"--or could benefit from--a new default, kitchen sink setting to place their adventures in. I like the Realms, but at this point it feels worn out. Anachronistic, even. A new--built from the ground--kitchen sink setting could allow them to bring D&D fully into the 21st century without feeling like everything new is being crammed into old settings (e.g. dragonborn in Greyhawk...blech). I feel that WotC could take a lesson from Paizo, and create a Golarion-esque setting that allows for a more naturalistic diversity of ideas...not just pasting on everything, whether it fits thematically or not (e.g. Kara-Tur/Zakhara/Maztica in Toril).
 

dave2008

Legend
Weren't there somewhat solid rumors about WotC re-issuing a classic setting this year, to go along with the 50th anniversary? With the lead candidate being a true Forgotten Realms campaign book? And what about the new settings they were talking about a couple years ago? And while we're at it, are they done with Magic setting books (it has been 3 years since the last)?

I'm also wondering if there might be a surprised book announced later this year. With Eve of Ruin,Quests, the PHB and DMG, this will be the first year since 2020 that they've "only" published four game books. I know MM was pushed back, so it was originally five. But it does make me wonder if they'll sneak something else in that was planned for early 2025, or just wait to go back to five books then. And of course with the Making of OD&D and Worlds & Realms, there are more D&D-related major products.

BTW, I'm not complaining about no news or a lack of more product, just curious about what the plan is beyond the revised core rulebooks. I mean, they announced the known current schedule some time ago, so we haven't had an announcement of anything new in quite awhile...unless I missed it.
As others have mentioned, old setting is Greyhawk in the DMG. It was my understanding the all new, and non-MtG, setting was scheduled for 2025, not the anniversary year of 2024. So it could still be in the works, but maybe not. Even when Winnger announced it, IIRC, he said plans could change.
 

Mistwell

Crusty Old Meatwad (he/him)
I feel that WotC could take a lesson from Paizo, and create a Golarion-esque setting that allows for a more naturalistic diversity of ideas...not just pasting on everything, whether it fits thematically or not (e.g. Kara-Tur/Zakhara/Maztica in Toril).

You mean like Greyhawk, which was the inspiration for Golarion? I will quote a trusted source on this:

I think Voadam brings up a good point and it goes beyond mere kitchensinkism. Most kitchen sink settings take real world analogs as their primary influences; Golarion seems to take Greyhawk as its primary influence, which is a step removed. This reminds me a bit of post-1977 epic fantasy (1977 was the year Sword of Shannara and Lord Foul's Bane were published, setting off a new era of epic fantasy): the primary influence, or at least referential godfather for the vast majority of post-1977 epic fantasy is Tolkien. Later versions of elves were not, by and large, taken from European mythology but from Tolkien, who derived them from European mythology.

I wouldn't say that Greyhawk has the same place in fantasy rpg settings as The Lord of the Rings has in epic fantasy, but it was the first big fantasy setting. Sure, there were contemporaries but none of them were as played and as influential for what came later on. The Forgotten Realms are probably the most popular and played in fantasy RPG setting of all time, but they were published about a decade after Greyhawk and thus have that many years less of influence.

I would also say that the other big kitchen sink D&D setting, the Forgotten Realms, does not seem to draw from Greyhawk nearly as directly as Golarion does. It even seems that the FR is a parallel development to Greyhawk; this would match what I know of its history, that it was created beginning in Ed Greenwood's youth and thus a creative contemporary to Greyhawk, if published later on. Actually, based upon Wikipedia the FR were probably begun a few years earlier, in 1967 compared to 1972 for Greyhawk, but they were published seven years later (1987 to 1980).
 


Mercurius

Legend
You mean like Greyhawk, which was the inspiration for Golarion?
No, not like Greyhawk, which is very 70s-esque (with the Realms being more 80s-esque...and yes, I know it was conceived of as far as the 60s and developed in the 70s).

I mean a setting created now, with 21st century D&D (players) in mind. I personally may not like elements of it, but it makes more sense than re-hashing and/or mutating the old. IMO.

As for my quote, nice catch there. But if anything, I can use it to support my point...Greyhawk and the Realms were developed in a very different era, both drawing more from 70s sword & sorcery and early (post-Tolkien) epic fantasy. Golarion is, in many ways, a nostalgic recreation of such a setting, but with a more 00s vibe. What I'm talking about is a setting built for the 2020s and beyond - one drawing more from contemporary sources.

Actually, part of the current cultural zeitgeist is postmodern-esque "drawing from everywhere"...so it could still include a region that is more classic D&D. I'd even start it out there, ala Nentir Vale. But then expand beyond with different cultural realms that are rather different.
 


Rikka66

Adventurer
I still think D&D "needs"--or could benefit from--a new default, kitchen sink setting to place their adventures in. I like the Realms, but at this point it feels worn out. Anachronistic, even. A new--built from the ground--kitchen sink setting could allow them to bring D&D fully into the 21st century without feeling like everything new is being crammed into old settings (e.g. dragonborn in Greyhawk...blech). I feel that WotC could take a lesson from Paizo, and create a Golarion-esque setting that allows for a more naturalistic diversity of ideas...not just pasting on everything, whether it fits thematically or not (e.g. Kara-Tur/Zakhara/Maztica in Toril).
So mostly what they did with 4e.
 

Weren't there somewhat solid rumors about WotC re-issuing a classic setting this year, to go along with the 50th anniversary? With the lead candidate being a true Forgotten Realms campaign book? And what about the new settings they were talking about a couple years ago? And while we're at it, are they done with Magic setting books (it has been 3 years since the last)?

I'm also wondering if there might be a surprised book announced later this year. With Eve of Ruin,Quests, the PHB and DMG, this will be the first year since 2020 that they've "only" published four game books. I know MM was pushed back, so it was originally five. But it does make me wonder if they'll sneak something else in that was planned for early 2025, or just wait to go back to five books then. And of course with the Making of OD&D and Worlds & Realms, there are more D&D-related major products.

BTW, I'm not complaining about no news or a lack of more product, just curious about what the plan is beyond the revised core rulebooks. I mean, they announced the known current schedule some time ago, so we haven't had an announcement of anything new in quite awhile...unless I missed it.

They are counting the anniversary year as going right into part of 2025, so lets wait and see what is coming for 2025.
 

I would bet for Mystara, but don't hope more one sourcebook.

The new worlds form MtG seem to be designed to be adapted as future D&D settings, even Duskmourn, the haunted-mansion plane.

Today WotC would rather to sell crunch, because players don't need spend money to get fluff, lore or background thanks fandom wikis.
 

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