dave2008
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Sure! Just realize that most of this sheet has more to do with our homebrew rules. Here you go!What's the rest of your sheet look like (if there's more)?
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Sure! Just realize that most of this sheet has more to do with our homebrew rules. Here you go!What's the rest of your sheet look like (if there's more)?
There is an issue in that you only get 1 reaction. IRRC, reactions were unlimited in 4e, and that made the fighter very sticky. Ideally I would see the fighter with striker and defender subclasses that could be further augmented with fighting styles and feats. Maybe a defender fighter gets extra reactions that can only be used on OA.It would be nice to have a Fighting Style that was just "Enemies that you damaged during your last turn trigger an Opportunity Attack if they attack anyone but you."
Its a big community. There is always someone (usually several someones) with strong opinions and who seem overly invested in their vision of a game, or who just enjoy being snarky. I think it is human nature to feel those comments as more impactful than they probably are. Like you I've learned to selectively "miss" such posts if they are overly mean spirited or are taking the thread in a direction I'm not interested in. I will say, however, that ENWorld is overall quite civil compared to many other forums. The result of clear and consistent moderation.I can't say I've seen that here on ENWorld but, then again, I skim quite a bit when I see particular names that often bring a lot of negativity to conversations - so perhaps I've selectively missed such posts.
I think it would make more sense to add them to adventures or campaign setting that uses them as central theme (Out of the Abyss, Curse of Strahd etc) much like ToA had its own list of diseases and special rules for Death Saves.
I'm having a hard time parsing this. You "attempted" to play with a dozen - what does "attempted to play with" mean? You joined for a session and didn't come back? Played a few sessions then decided it didn't jive with your style? Showed up for 5 minutes, realized it wasn't going to work, and walked out? Did none of these dozen-ish DMs give you a general overview of what was and what wasn't included in their campaigns before having you even sit down at the table?Technically it would be more attempted to play with rather than actually played with. But I'd say something like a dozen? And several more that I did not even bother with because they made this stance so clear.
I honestly don't recall anyone getting super testy specifically on the subject of feats here on ENWorld. Perhaps you mean DMs getting super testy about player assumptions in general? That seems to ring a bell.It's also...I mean come on. How many people have you seen on this forum who get real super testy about anyone even mildly "assuming" that they'll be able to take feats? This is not some strange, alien thing. LOTS of 5e DMs treat really basic "optional" rules like they're stinky garbage.
And...? Did any of the DMs you encountered have any suggestions for fixes when you told them you were fully open to the idea of doing so? Or is it that none of the DMs you encountered wanted to deal with a homebrew PC at all in their campaign? If it is the latter, do you believe that makes them unreasonable DMs?I mean, I'm sure there's some of that. This is being worn pretty openly, as noted above. I admit that a portion of this is that yes, I did have some player-made homebrew that I was shopping around to try to find a game where I could playtest it (fully open to the idea that it would need fixes).
As I'm always looking to buff the FS, I think that giving part of the Sentinel feat as a FS would be decent, maybe to replace the pretty bad Protection FS?It would be nice to have a Fighting Style that was just "Enemies that you damaged during your last turn trigger an Opportunity Attack if they attack anyone but you."
Sure. Ideally, if WotC wasnt all set on their classic ''trilogy'' of books, I'd go for something like:Sure, but can be useful for those who make up their own adventures or run a more improvisational style game, but who don't want to make up their own tables or make up things on the fly.
But that’s the point, it’s the DMs game. The whole design philosophy was on the table before the game launched that they would be providing a core game and then bells and whistles that can be turned off and on so that the game could be played how the individual table wants to play it. You want to play with all those options turned on then by all means do so, nothing is stopping you from doing that but don’t sit in judgement of people who choose not to or tables that say “well that’s an optional rule and we don’t use it”. That’s precisely what you did. You just “badwrongfunned” people for not playing how you want to and looked down your nose at them. If you aren’t having these conversations with the DM beforehand then you need to start doing that. The one instance in my story, flanking, was an oversight that he had been missed in the discussion of what dials were active and we used that moment to decide if we were going to use flanking or not as a group. We did not.Technically it would be more attempted to play with rather than actually played with. But I'd say something like a dozen? And several more that I did not even bother with because they made this stance so clear.
It's also...I mean come on. How many people have you seen on this forum who get real super testy about anyone even mildly "assuming" that they'll be able to take feats? This is not some strange, alien thing. LOTS of 5e DMs treat really basic "optional" rules like they're stinky garbage.
I mean, I'm sure there's some of that. This is being worn pretty openly, as noted above. I admit that a portion of this is that yes, I did have some player-made homebrew that I was shopping around to try to find a game where I could playtest it (fully open to the idea that it would need fixes).
Both of which are fine (though as I have said, I am super not keen on changes of that sort when they're already in play.)
On reflection, I should note that there is one area where (official) variant rules are embraced almost to the point of replacing the usual ones: resting and healing, to make either harder and less frequent. Though even there it tends to get replaced by whichever even more strident houserules the DM fancies on that front.
Because it's an attitude that has made my gaming more frustrating and more difficult, and because it has led to what I see as a dominant gaming culture opposed to some of the things I see as important to a healthy game.
Ah, that's right. I remember now that I'd looked at it and thought there was some kind of issue, but it's been a while.
No real comment on the benefits or flaws of the flanking rules specifically. Just noting that this is kinda in the direction of what I was referring to. This seeming need to emphasize "yeah, don't trust anything the book tells you, you never know what's in the game unless the DM explicitly tells you," with a frequent side of "sorry we can't give you any advice AT ALL because of that."
Even before the pandemic, I almost exclusively played online. This means applying for games. DMs present their pitches (or, rarely, players present theirs and hope a DM likes it enough to pick it up). I filtered through a much, much larger number than that dozen I quoted, skipping over any that were either (a) clearly not for me, so there was no point in applying to begin with, or (b) clearly not interested in what I was looking for. I also did what I could to select game pitches that were compatible with the fluff and crunch of my choices for race, background, class, etc.*I'm having a hard time parsing this. You "attempted" to play with a dozen - what does "attempted to play with" mean? You joined for a session and didn't come back? Played a few sessions then decided it didn't jive with your style? Showed up for 5 minutes, realized it wasn't going to work, and walked out? Did none of these dozen-ish DMs give you a general overview of what was and what wasn't included in their campaigns before having you even sit down at the table?
Perhaps it is the fog of memory, but I distinctly remember some folks in the "exotic races" thread (for example) using some rather...strident...language for any player who has the temerity to want to play a non-"core four" race. I won't name names for the sake of not stirring up old drama. But there were some folks who got stern mod responses for it. That, to me, speaks of a testiness that goes well beyond simple stuff.I honestly don't recall anyone getting super testy specifically on the subject of feats here on ENWorld. Perhaps you mean DMs getting super testy about player assumptions in general? That seems to ring a bell.
Okay. Now how do we refactor this for the online group search, since as noted, that's basically always how I have had to look for games even before the pandemic, but now most folks have to look for games this way.IMO and IME, most assumptions can be taken care of with a solid session zero and/or a solid, concise 1 or 2 page overview of the campaign rules. Any DM getting super testy needs to take it down a notch or three and simply make sure the players are informed before sitting down to play. Importantly, a DM should work with players to make sure their characters meet the guidelines that have been established for the campaign (something that would have been a nice gem to include in the DMG, apparently, but at least it is in Tasha's).
TBH this at least sounds irrelevant to what I'm talking about, so I don't have much to say about it.Beyond that, stuff will of course naturally come up during game play that might be cause for disagreement. As a DM, if this happens, I make a ruling in the heat of the moment so we can move forward with the game and, between sessions, we discuss how it will be handled going forward, if necessary.
One. Out of several dozen games I examined and about a dozen games I applied for, exactly one had constructive criticism, and that one was only to avoid a potentially theme-disruptive ribbon feature. At 5th level, meaning character level 10 at the lowest, my Silver Pyromancer gets a ribbon feature, immunity to disease. That DM thought that this ribbon might be actually powerful or unbalanced in a game focused on jungle exploration, and thus asked if I was okay with removing it. Seeing as it's mostly a fluff feature, I was comfortable doing so; it is of course sad to drop a ribbon, but I had no desire to disrupt a campaign premise.And...? Did any of the DMs you encountered have any suggestions for fixes when you told them you were fully open to the idea of doing so?
Well, as stated, I did everything I could to filter out DMs who wouldn't be interested from the word "go." Hence why I spent several months trying to find a game and applied to such a large number of them (mostly on GitP and Myth-Weavers). Even with those efforts, I came up completely empty-handed. This wasn't a casual effort, I was really sincere about trying to find a game that would work and had plenty of respectful conversations about it. Ultimately it never worked out. That it failed to do so despite the amount of time and effort I put in is what led me to conclude that yes, my initial perception (based on forum discussions like this) was on fact pretty accurate. 5e DMs are overall very traditionalist, often extremely so, and will rather pointedly refuse or ignore most "optional" rules, unless they personally deeply love those rules (most of them being of the "make days deadlier, rests harder and less frequent, and resources generally restricted" variety). Good luck even getting them to use "official" third-party content (as in, published by a professional company like Drop Dead Studios or Goodman Games), let alone player written homebrew...but they'll be totally cool introducing their own homebrew, occasionally without even drawing attention to it until it becomes relevant.Or is it that none of the DMs you encountered wanted to deal with a homebrew PC at all in their campaign? If it is the latter, do you believe that makes them unreasonable DMs?
Like I said. A disdain for "optional" rules is a gamer culture element I have detected in 5e DMs. Is that not what this statement is?The only rules you need to play are the Basic D&D rules. Not even the three core rule books are needed.