Some interesting news about 4th edition

[Sammael]

This has already sort of happened in 3.5, with the RPGA Campaign Cards. Now, if they really make collectable cards a part of the game, the only thing it would do is put a final nail in the coffin of RPGA (which isn't doing all that great). For home games, people would just download the cards off the Internet. Those who were really bent on collecting would do so, but I sincerely doubt they'd be in the majority.

Needless to say, since this model makes zero sense for a RPG, I don't believe it will happen. I do believe 4e is in the preliminary stages of design, however.

 

[Turjan]

Though I'd never buy anything that works like a collectible card game - I don't buy random minis either - the use of cards for one thing or the other wouldn't be too bad. Just think of Fiery Dragon's Battlebox with cards for special attacks or, in the AE variant, with cards for conditions, which both work very nicely.

Whether a collectible card model would work or not is beyond my ability to see. I know it wouldn't work with me. But if I think of all these younger people who grew up on MtG, I'm not too sure. If someone thinks they'd buy more than us old geezers, this may as well happen.

 

[ssampier]

I believe they tried to do something similar with a Dominia ruleset before D&D 3.0 release. I doubt they'd try it again. I frankly see two separate markets, people that like CCGs and willing to pay for them and everyone else that just wants to play the game.

Not buying it, sorry. :\

 

[Krypter]

I don't believe a word of this. Hasbro has almost meticulously compartmentalized its D&D and MtG brands. Combining them would dilute both.

But then again, I had the same reaction to STAR WARS TRANSFORMERS, and, well, see for yourselves:

http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/thread85125.html

Stranger things have happened before.

 

[Savior]

One of the first games I played was the old Dragon Quest game. It integrated cards quite effectively as a way of streamlining play for beginning players. I also recall a fw settings like Birthrights thats incorporated cards quite effectively. In the early 90's there was a set of collectors cards which featured various creatures, characters, and magical items from various settings. Done correctly, collectors cards could boost the broad apeal of the game to passive players without alienating the faithful.

 

[runtime]

this just smells funny.

and dumb.

and i dont believe it for a second.

there is no way theyll make an RPG "collectible" unless they want to lose a large segment of thier buyers.

Are you discounting WotC's steady stream of character ("Complete Adventurer"/etc) and setting ("Frostburn"/etc) hardcover books? Many players seem to "collect 'em all."

 

[runtime]

I don't believe any of these 4E rumors, but consider the success of WotC's D&D Miniatures game, which is a "collect 'em all" type game and includes cards with the game.

 

[Mark CMG]

Best.thread.evar!!!!!11!!

 

[wingsandsword]

So, there is this rumor on the internet that some local game shop owner heard from a friend who just happens to work at WotC that D&D 4e (which WotC swears up and down is not actively in development) will be a collectable card game integrated into Magic: The Gathering?

Never mind that even if he knew, he'd be breaching his NDA with WotC so big he's never work professionally as a writer again. Never mind that it's a friend-of-a-friend story being repeated by somebody on the internet with no authentication. Never mind that WotC has owned the rights to D&D for ~7 years and not begun to make D&D and M:tG cross over (and they have done surveys back in the late 90's to gauge how much the D&D fan base wanted an RPG of Dominaria, so if there was demand I'd imagine they would have filled it by now). Never mind that it's an idea so inherently ridiculous it's been the subject of countless parodies ever since WotC bought TSR. Never mind that it inherently changes the play model of RPG's so much that it really isn't even D&D (or an RPG) anymore if you have to collect cards just to play the game.

If WotC wants a collectable version of D&D, they already have the miniatures game, which sells to both the Collectable Gamer market and the D&D player market, without changing the core features of D&D and alienating their longtime player base, but still making armloads of money.

I call BS on it, and yes, I also looked to see if it was somehow April 1st. Yes, it's not a "4e Rumor", it's a troll.

 

[jdrakeh]

Please note: this is NOT just another "4e rumor". I've known this FLGS owner for years now, and his WotC insider friend is a man of honesty and integrity, who was with TSR long before WotC took over.

I've seen hundreds of other 2e/3e/4e rumors that start just like this. I'm not saying that your friend of a friend of a friend who knows stuff fact reporting may not be right on the money, but when you've seen hundreds (if not thousands) of other people make similar claims over the years, and none of them turn out to have any merit.. well.. the point is that if a claim isn't independently verifiable, then it is just another rumor.

[Edit: Knowing you from another message board, this kind of post seems very out of character for you. You okay, man?]