Some PC designs bouncing in my head...

[Garthanos]

I find multiclassing extremely limiting... but hybrid is perfect for getting the design to feel right (been using it a long time)... if you aren't careful its possible to result in suboptimal mechanically but in terms of matching your flavor it may be perfect (if you want at wills for both so you are always mixing it up its the only way to go). And no reason to think hybrid would be more work on the dm.

Getting full on character builder is so useful you could get it on all players computers for the price of 2.50 per head if you have 5 of you. No power book purchases required to get all that content and it doesn't disappear or stop working when you aren't subscribed either.

I agree with those saying if your fighting style is hellboy inspired, all the grabbing and throwing ... or even some of the just smash them and have them fly you see ,.. might be best done with the brawling fighter. I dont own MP2 yet either.... but that sure wouldn't stop me.

 

[Dannyalcatraz]

Getting full on character builder is so useful you could get it on all players computers for the price of 2.50 per head if you have 5 of you. No power book purchases required to get all that content and it doesn't disappear or stop working when you aren't subscribed either.

I agree with those saying if your fighting style is hellboy inspired, all the grabbing and throwing ... or even some of the just smash them and have them fly you see ,.. might be best done with the brawling fighter. I dont own MP2 yet either.... but that sure wouldn't stop me.

Here's the problem: I don't like 4Ed all that much, definitely not enough to keep dumping money into it. After Dark Sun, that is probably it for me, at least until books like Martial Power start showing up at Half-Price books.

And that said, I like it more than most of the guys in the group- I may be the only one with any 4Ed stuff at all, with the possible exception of the guy talking about running the campaign.

Besides, rather than posting a lengthy critique of 4Ed multiclassing vs 3.X (which I just deleted rather than posting), let me just say that 4Ed's limitations on unarmed combatants has instead driven me to further develop the other side of the PC and explore the use of the Spiked Chain.

 

[Dannyalcatraz]

On the Tommy Bahamut front...

One of the things I think I want to do with the PC is emphasize ranged combat, including dual-wielding hand axes (I thought the illustration of the 2 axe wielder in the Seeker's power section was kinda cool...).

Here's the problem.

Bards & Seekers are both proficient in military ranged weapons, but have only limited proficiency in melee weapons.

Hand axes are military melee weapons. However, they are also thrown weapons. As such, do hand axes count as military ranged weapons for the purposes of proficiency? Or was that picture leading me down a path of lies?

 

[Garthanos]

Besides, rather than posting a lengthy critique of 4Ed multiclassing vs 3.X (which I just deleted rather than posting)

A lot of out of date notions I can tell. ... you might as well have deleted it.

 

[Dannyalcatraz]

A lot of out of date notions I can tell. ... you might as well have deleted it.

Not out of date, just preferences.

And they were deleted because I don't want to start anything. Why don't we keep it that way?

 

[Dr_Ruminahui]

On the Tommy Bahamut front...
Hand axes are military melee weapons. However, they are also thrown weapons. As such, do hand axes count as military ranged weapons for the purposes of proficiency? Or was that picture leading me down a path of lies?

If this thread (http://www.enworld.org/forum/4e-discussion/274926-thrown-weapon-seeker-nothing-throw.html) is any indication, unfortunately they do not.

 

[Obryn]

Bards & Seekers are both proficient in military ranged weapons, but have only limited proficiency in melee weapons.

Hand axes are military melee weapons. However, they are also thrown weapons. As such, do hand axes count as military ranged weapons for the purposes of proficiency? Or was that picture leading me down a path of lies?

It's a sack of lies, all lies. In fact, it's one of my chief issues with the thrown weapon version of the class. With that said, you mentioned javelins - and you'd have those. Mechanically, those are identical to throwing hammers and throwing axes, apart from maybe some feat choices.

-O

 

[Dannyalcatraz]

Sooooo...I'd have to burn a feat to take proficiency in the Handaxe or just do without the proficiency bonus, huh? So be it.

That picture just captured something about the PC for me- it reminded me of some of the Native American dances I've seen performed, and somehow that just clicked for Tommy B.

 

[Obryn]

Sooooo...I'd have to burn a feat to take proficiency in the Handaxe or just do without the proficiency bonus, huh? So be it

Or talk to your DM. I'd give it to my players for free in a heartbeat.

-O

 

[Dannyalcatraz]

In all probability, so would I, but I do like to know what the consensus is on the rules RAW before I start trying to suggest alterations.