Soneillon. Part 2. (Updated 10/7)

[Mytholder]

So now she's got him alone, in his home and she's in physical contact with him. Nerves of steel man! Will of Iron!

< Ortwin >
That's not all that's stiff.
< /Ortwin >

 

[Olive]

It's far more likely that Sorcerors, by and large, are neither as powerful nor as prevalent throughout Wyre as wizards are

all of this is true, but it has a lot to do with the fact that the injunction (the original one) was invented by Sep before sorcerors existed in the DnD rule set, before 3e.

Good discussion tho.

 

[Joshua Randall]

Philosophical Joke

"It would be a terrible thing if my intellect succeeded in denying the possibility of my own existence."

Soneillon's quip reminds me of a philosphical joke:

René Descartes walks into a bar.

The bartender asks, "Care for a drink?"

Descartes replies, "I think not." And disappears.

 

[WizarDru]

all of this is true, but it has a lot to do with the fact that the injunction (the original one) was invented by Sep before sorcerors existed in the DnD rule set, before 3e.

Good discussion tho.

Well, I was referring to the 'new' injunction, not the original one. The original version was more of a social contract than anything else. The original question had been "Why doesn't the Injunction (current) cover sorcerors?", when discussing how a sorceror had essentially violated the summoning act.

Technically, both injunctions may still be in effect, though I don't know if the wizards are still enforcing the original one.

 

[Warrior Poet]

Haven't been around in a while, but Wyre and its legends always pull me back.

Regardless of the ontological state of Wyre's various principal (and not so principal) residents, suffice it to say THIS STORY has TRANSCENDED! It leaves me with no other words, or, perhaps more accurately, it leaves me with knowledge of the insufficiency of language to express what it evokes.

Or, rather, gaaaaaaahhhh ...

Warrior Poet

 

[Thistleknot]

I was looking up the Dracula Legend and stumbled across a website that had an interesting entry.

You can find it here: http://www.angelfire.com/realm/shades/demons/bookdevilsanddemons/ranksofhell.htm

Sonneillon Demon of Hate (Michaelis)

Was this the basis of the current nemesis of Eadric and his friends, or did she come from somewhere else?

I was just curious.

 

[Nifft]

The Injunction

Re: Injunction

The Injunction applies to Wizards in Wyre - not sorcerers (from other planes, or otherwise) - hence Koilimilou is not subject to it. Nor are Clerics, Druids etc.

Bear in mind that the quorum of great Wizards who acquiesced to Jovol: Mulissu, Shomei, Mostin, Tozinak, Waide, Hlioth, Daunton - did so in full knowledge of the Injunction's contents. It was really outside of their remit to extend it to other forms of magic, and probably would have caused all kinds of trouble if they'd tried (no, Sela, you may not gate in that solar, or the Infernal will bite your head off).

Nwm's argument - that the Injunction doesn't go far enough - certainly has merit, though. Of course, others would argue that it goes too far. The controversy surrounding it is far from over...

Interesting. I'm surprised that there were no Sorcerers of note native to Wyre who would have been willing to contribute.

Were the Wizards of Wyre aware of Sorcerers, and deliberately snubbed them / ignored them in the creation of the Injunction? If this is the case, it seems frankly insane. A rogue Sorcerer would be a more likely wild card than a rogue Wizard, who at least has to train somewhere.

Were the Wizards of Wyre unaware of Sorcerers? This also seems unlikely, since by that point you were using the ELH, and that post-dates your move to 3.0e.

Anyway, some questions about the nitty-gritty specifics of the arcane dichotomy in Wyre. All questions are posed with regard to avoiding unpleasant attention from a certain Infernal.

1) Can a Sorcerer use a Scroll written by a Wizard to summon demons?
2) Can a multi-class Sorc/Wiz summon demons, using only Sorcerer spells?
3) Can a multi-class Sorc/Wiz use write a scroll as a Wizard and read it as a Sorcerer?
4) Can a Sorcerer use a Scroll (or other spell-trigger or -completion) given to it by a Demon to summon more Demons?

I'm not sure if the current Injunction is sufficient to meet the threat to which it was a response, and I can't imagine Jovol et al. missing this aspect. From what I recall, they talked of deliberately limiting arcane magic, not of limiting one class' access to it. I would think that "other forms" meant divine magic -- not simply another way to access the exact same spell list.

So, can Ortwin use a Summon Monster VI scroll written by Mostin without fear of decapitation? Wouldn't that put an interesting look on the Metagnostic's face...

-- Nifft

 

[Greybar]

quick note -
The assumption is that the Injunction's applicability to "wizards" means that same thing as the meta-game concept of the Wizard class.

The Injunction is now a living thing, so to speak. Who know if it will not seek to expand its own purvue through interpretation of the Injunction...

john

 

[Casti]

Sorceress

I think that there are none or very few sorceress in Wyre. Atleast no one as mighty as to even compare to the wizards the injunction were meant for!

I think Sephulcrave wrote it himself that there were very few or none sorcereses in Wyre when he wrote about wyre. There are also no gnomes haflings or dwarfs there. but lots`o feys!

^^

 

[Gez]

I use the ToH version of Movanic Devas (more martial, less magical), so hallow was not available to the celestials in order to restore the chapel.

So, you have finally bought it?

I thinkI think Sephulcrave wrote it himself that there were very few or none sorcereses in Wyre when he wrote about wyre. There are also no gnomes haflings or dwarfs there. but lots`o feys!

Actually, there are gnomes. Nwm had specifically instructed the gnomes who had restored the rest of the keep’s interior to leave the chapel untouched... (last story post above this comment). Of course, he may have changed them to be fey rather than humanoids (and I think that's what he has done); but there are gnomes. Proof straight from the horse's mouth!