D&D 5E Spell -> Counterspell -> Counterspell (from same character that casts 1st spell) - possible?

[Yunru]

The text says you can't cast another spell (it doesn't mention casting time - action, bonus action, or reaction) on your turn, except a cantrip. Very clear

Yes, very clear. Clear that if you cast a bonus action spell you can't cast another spell.

 

[dave2008]

Yes, very clear. Clear that if you cast a bonus action spell you can't cast another spell.

It is clear if you assume a bonus action spell, and I understand why you would. But it is still an assumption, so it could be more clear.

How the hell can I get myself out of this thread without appearing rude?! Any suggestions?

 

[Caliban]

The text says you can't cast another spell (it doesn't mention casting time - action, bonus action, or reaction) on your turn, except a cantrip. Very clear

Yes it does.

A spell cast with a bonus action is especially swift. You must use a bonus action on Your Turn to cast the spell, provided that you haven’t already taken a bonus action this turn. You can’t cast another spell during the same turn, except for a cantrip with a casting time of 1 action.

If you cast a bonus action spell, you can only cast a 1 action cantrip on the same turn. I don't understand the confusion. At least not with the text itself.

The confusing part is where this information is located - it's not in the combat section. It's in the very beginning of the spellcasting section and is easy to miss.

 

[dave2008]

Yes it does.



If you cast a bonus action spell, you can only cast a 1 action cantrip on the same turn. I don't understand the confusion.

I would expect nothing less form a "Rules Monkey"

 

[Dausuul]

It is clear if you assume a bonus action spell, and I understand why you would. But it is still an assumption, so it could be more clear.

You don't have to "assume" a bonus action spell. It says bonus action in the two sentences immediately preceding. The rule is not remotely ambiguous; weird and sorta silly, but not ambiguous.

How the hell can I get myself out of this thread without appearing rude?! Any suggestions?

Sure! You have three options:

• Stop replying.
• Concede the argument.
• Keep arguing till everyone else stops replying.

The first is customary when the discussion reaches an impasse, or when you know deep down that you're wrong but don't want to admit it. The second is a rare display of honor and courage, but doesn't really get you anything, like a samurai committing seppuku. The third will allow you to feel that you have won the argument, but it can be very time-consuming, and other than that glow of resentful satisfaction, it doesn't get you anything either.

 

[dave2008]

Stop replying.

That feels rude to me.

Concede the argument.

I already did, but no one seems to notice or acknowledge that

Keep arguing till everyone else stops replying.

I don't want to do that.

 

[Dausuul]

That feels rude to me.

It isn't. People ghost forum threads all the time. This is (edit: corrected) asynchronous communication; people are not hanging on this thread waiting for your reply. They see the reply notification and come to answer. If that notification never comes, they carry on with their lives.

I already did, but no one seems to notice or acknowledge that

It's not conceding to say (paraphrasing) "We can agree to disagree." That is attempting to defuse the argument without conceding. Conceding would be if you said, "Okay, you're right, the limitation only applies to bonus action spells unless you house-rule otherwise."

 

[CapnZapp]

Personally, I read counterspell as one spell that is a reaction for a specific situation as being more specific than the more general rule of the bonus action only allowing a cantrip to go along with it. Because of that, I allow the counterspell to be used regardless of the spell originally cast.

Or you could just abstain from casting a bonus action spell if you want to retain the ability to counterspell a possible counterspell...

In practical terms, Sorcerers can't protect their Quickened spells from Counterspell, since you aren't allowed to cast a non-cantrip spell on your own turn if you cast your spell using a bonus action.

This is probably okay. Cast the spell at regular speed if you're worried about getting counterspelled.

 

[CapnZapp]

I don't see how the RAW is unclear. There is a rule that limits you to cantrips when you cast a bonus action spell. Counterspell isn't a bonus action spell. Therefore, that rule doesn't apply. Very clear.

It isn't Counterspell that is the bonus action spell. The rule says that if you cast a bonus action spell (say a Quickened Fireball) you can't cast a non-cantrip spell on your turn.

Counterspell is not a cantrip, is the relevant argument for "I don't see how the RAW is unclear". Since it isn't a cantrip you can't cast it (even though it is a reaction) on your own turn (to counterspell a counterspell).

 

[Caliban]

It isn't Counterspell that is the bonus action spell. The rule says that if you cast a bonus action spell (say a Quickened Fireball) you can't cast a non-cantrip spell on your turn.

Counterspell is not a cantrip, is the relevant argument for "I don't see how the RAW is unclear". Since it isn't a cantrip you can't cast it (even though it is a reaction) on your own turn (to counterspell a counterspell).

I can't tell. Are you arguing against something I said, or just agreeing with me very aggressively?