Spell-like abilities and Arcane Strike.

[Scharlata]

Your statement does not logically follow.[..]

Per the rules of logic it must be a logic conclusion. IF there ARE differences to a thing it could not be the SAME as ANOTHER. So, if there are differences between spells and spell-like abilities, they could - per definition - not be the same.

q.e.d.

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[Tzarevitch]

Per the rules of logic it must be a logic conclusion. IF there ARE differences to a thing it could not be the SAME as ANOTHER. So, if there are differences between spells and spell-like abilities, they could - per definition - not be the same.

q.e.d.

Kind regards

But the issue here is now whether or not they are absulutely the same, but whether they are the same for these purposes. There is an entire cagegory of effects for which a spell is the same as a spell-like ability and a category where they are not the same. The problem is that nothing specifies a default rule if the situation is not one of those listed for either side.

Merely stating that they are not the same doesn't help because they ARE the same in some cases. The rules say so clearly. The question is does anything state that THIS is one of the cases where they aren't the same. Judging from the responses I am seeing, it seems the answer is no. Spells and spell-like abilities should probably not be treated as the same for these purposes, but nothing explicitly says so.

Tzarevitch

 

[Majere]

We need the wording of the feat to answer your question

Majere

 

[Tzarevitch]

Well, one of the prerequisites for Arcane strike is the ability to cast 3rd-level arcane spells.

Spell-like abilities are not, as far as I can tell, arcane or divine.

Most creatures use spell like abilities as a sorcerer, some as a cleric or as other classes. No, nothing states that they are arcane or divine but nothing I have seen states clearly that they aren't either. That is the dilema I keep encountering. It is maddening that even after that "Rules of the Game" column this is still so unclear.

Oh well. As I said, I think I got my answer. There doesn't seem to be anything that clearly answers my question, but for the sake of game balance the answer should be no (pretty much as I thought).

Tzarevitch

 

[Scharlata]

Merely stating that they are not the same doesn't help because they ARE the same in some cases.[...]

As I said: If you want to use them you have brought up a cool idea. I only mentioned that spells and spell-like abilities are not the same even if they are based on a similar game mechanic. "Similar" is the key word here. Similarity is not identity.

Hope that helps.

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