Spell resistance vs. wall of ice

[Ferox4]

In the description of Spell Resistance, there is the passage "In many cases". Are there examples of when SR applies when the creature is not the target of the spell? Are they talking about area of effect spells as fireball?

AR

Not to hijack, but it begs the question: We've played that SR protects vs. Fireball. Is this incorrect?

It states in the Fireball description that SR applies and who targets a person with a fireball, it's an area spell.

 

[Voadam]

However, for the spell resistance to be relevant I think you have to interpret it as working on the magical cold field. This is consistent with prior editions where creatures with magic resistance could sometimes be used to get past wall spells such as wall of fire unscathed.

 

[DarkMaster]

Not to hijack, but it begs the question: We've played that SR protects vs. Fireball. Is this incorrect?

It states in the Fireball description that SR applies and who targets a person with a fireball, it's an area spell.

Yes it protect, everything within the blast is considered a target of the spell, the spell is directly causing the damage/effect to the individual with SR.

 

[Ferox4]

Yes it protect, everything within the blast is considered a target of the spell, the spell is directly causing the damage/effect to the individual with SR.

Good.

thanks

 

[DarkMaster]

However, for the spell resistance to be relevant I think you have to interpret it as working on the magical cold field. This is consistent with prior editions where creatures with magic resistance could sometimes be used to get past wall spells such as wall of fire unscathed.

If the spell state that SR is effective than yes.

BTW I just checked the wall of ice and they allow SR therefore what I said before doesn't apply to the cold damage part of this type of wall (same is true for the damage of a wall of fire). Because the spell are causing damage directly without any external help.

But it wouldn't apply to let's say a wall of Iron. If somebody with SR run full speed in a wall of iron they will get hurt (same with a wall of ice), it is not the spell that is causing the damage in this case.

 

[Voadam]

Not to hijack, but it begs the question: We've played that SR protects vs. Fireball. Is this incorrect?

It states in the Fireball description that SR applies and who targets a person with a fireball, it's an area spell.

We play it that way too. Otherwise you can get around SR by targeting a foot from your opponent.

For the big area ones we play it when you enter the effect you get an SR check. We then have that check apply always for that spell. Alternatively so you can check each time the effect might apply so staying in a circle of fire is one check but each stab of a thunderlance (from FRCS) is a separate check. This alternate involves more rolls however.

The rules don't specify exactly how it works so this is a DM call.

 

[Sir Whiskers]

3.5 SRD
Even when the ice has been broken through, a sheet of frigid air remains. Any creature stepping through it (including the one who broke through the wall) takes 1d6 points of cold damage +1 point per caster level (no save).

Also check out wall of fire. SR applies to the damage from that spell, so the wall of ice damage appears to be treated the same way.

 

[Black Knight Irios]

We play it that way too. Otherwise you can get around SR by targeting a foot from your opponent.

For the big area ones we play it when you enter the effect you get an SR check. We then have that check apply always for that spell. Alternatively so you can check each time the effect might apply so staying in a circle of fire is one check but each stab of a thunderlance (from FRCS) is a separate check. This alternate involves more rolls however.

The rules don't specify exactly how it works so this is a DM call.

Wrong check this out.
SRD 3.5
Against an ongoing spell that has already been cast, a failed check against spell resistance allows the resistant creature to ignore any effect the spell might have. The magic continues to affect others normally.

This means SR is only rolled ones per spell per creature, e.g.:
You have Thunderlance being cast, your opponent is a Balor you attck him, now you roll SR, if you succeed on your check all following attacks will affect the Balor but if you fail, you will not be able to affect that Balor with this casting of the spell. Lets assume there is a Pitfiend standing near by, if you would attack with the same Thunderlance spell you could again check SR and try to affect the Pitfiend. The outcome is the same as given above...if you want to affect a given monster with an ongoing spell it resisted allready you have to cast that spell again. There is no checking the SR multiple times with a given spell...some spells behave different when resisted with SR but that is given in the spells decription.