Spider-Man: No Way Home *spoilers*


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Tonguez

A suffusion of yellow
Ultimately I have to respect that Dr Strange is an impulsive (and by that I mean reckless to the point of unethical) character in the comics, and so the portrayal in the movies is accurate with that. I guess the only way to reconcile that is with the notion that the Ancient One was a very poor teacher, who allowed an arrogant and impulsive person access to incredible power. You could argue that Ancient One herself is the most reckless of them all, and so Strange is just the apple not falling far from the tree.
in the first Doctor Strange movie is shown that after 9 months of basic learning in Kamar-Taj, Strange got fustrated and so stole the Eye of Agamotto from the library and then used it to mess with time so that he could learn everything, including forbidden knowledge. Throughout his training he is warned repeatedly about breaking the rules, which he is constantly pushing. He excels despite the Ancient One trying to make him slow down, only to find out that the Ancient One has been breaking the rules too by messing with the dark dimension to extend her life.

Eventually it is by breaking the rules of magic and locking himself and Domammu in a time-loop that he is able to save the universe.

So yes the Ancient One was reckless and allowed an impulsive person to weild incredible power - but its that willingness to break the rules that allows Strange to win victory in the face of cosmic doom, perhaps thats why the Ancient One declared him the greatest of us all...
 

MGibster

Legend
I was really surprised by how much I thought Benedict Cumberbatch looked like Jason Sudeikis performing in a sketch as Dr. Strange.
 

Mirtek

Hero
Wow, the after credit scene was just pure cruelty :(

They raised our hopes with the Venom 2 after credit scene. They let us feel the euphoria immediately with the NWH after credit scene only to tear it away in the blink of an eye.

Yes, there's now a piece left behind for a new MCU Venom, but come on, we wanted the Tom Hardy Venom in the MCU
 


Wow, the after credit scene was just pure cruelty :(

They raised our hopes with the Venom 2 after credit scene. They let us feel the euphoria immediately with the NWH after credit scene only to tear it away in the blink of an eye.

Yes, there's now a piece left behind for a new MCU Venom, but come on, we wanted the Tom Hardy Venom in the MCU
I wouldn’t say ‘we’ because it implies everyone wanted that. I know plenty of folks (myself very much included) that have no interest in seeing Venom in the MCU whatsoever.
 

MGibster

Legend
Venom used to be one of my favorite Spider-Man villains. There were stronger, faster, and more brutal than Spider-Man and it was always a struggle for Peter to defeat them. I haven't seen the Venom movies because Venom without Spider-Man isn't really Venom.
 

Staffan

Legend
Venom used to be one of my favorite Spider-Man villains. There were stronger, faster, and more brutal than Spider-Man and it was always a struggle for Peter to defeat them. I haven't seen the Venom movies because Venom without Spider-Man isn't really Venom.
I was going to go on a spiel about how Venom is hard to do right in the movies, because there's not really enough room to deal with the black costume and it's abilities, and its effects on Peter. But looking back, it was only around in the comics for about half a year before it was revealed to be a symbiote. Of course, it took some time after that before we got Venom out of it, but still, it's not like we're talking Dark Phoenix levels of build-up.
 

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GreyLord

Legend
I suggest you go look up "One More Day/Brand new day"

Worst Spiderman series/set ever. Made possible even worse after (Doc Oc as Peter Parker and Spiderman, etc).

I hear they may be trying to repair the damage now (over a decade later, a little late I'd say as they lost me and a ton of other spiderman readers from the comic book, though I imagine that many still buy trade PBs of earlier collections of series prior to that, as well as watch the movies and other items). Perhaps I might try it again if I hear they repair that damage they did all that while ago, but they made me hate their take of Spidey.

At least this movie proved that Andrew Garfield deserved to be in much better films, because damn was he a good Peter Parker in this

He always was. I enoyed TAS movies. I think people were just upset because they did a reboot and did it rather soon after the classic spiderman trilogy (instead of doing what they needed to do to continue that trilogy into a longer movie series).

It was a great due of movies though. I thought the first was stronger than the second though. Gwen Staceys events at the end of the second movie (won't go into full spoiler) seemed tacked on, should have had a more full exploration of that event (IMO).
 


Bolares

Hero
Made possible even worse after (Doc Oc as Peter Parker and Spiderman, etc).
YOU DON'T VOME TO MY HOUSE AND SPEAK ILL OF THE SUPERIOR SPIDERMAN RUN! :p

Seriouslly now, I love that run. And the latter run of the superior spiderman with dock ock in San Francisco.
 

Bagpuss

Hero
If it’s a cool or exciting scene, sure!
Folks in other countries don’t do that?
I have never heard anyone cheer at something occurring on screen in the cinema in the UK.

Someone trips coming in with their popcorn, of course. But anyone with manners will not make a sound during the film itself.
 

I have never heard anyone cheer at something occurring on screen in the cinema in the UK.

Someone trips coming in with their popcorn, of course. But anyone with manners will not make a sound during the film itself.

I’m assuming that wasn’t a back-handed shot at American movie audiences, right?

Being in a packed theater watching a movie like Avengers Endgame or Spider Man No Way Home and having everyone cheer during a big part is an awesome, collective experience. I feel kind of bad for places that don’t do that honestly …
 

pukunui

Legend
There were shouts and cheers from the Kiwi audience with whom I saw this movie. It’s pretty rare for people to make noise in the cinema here, though.

I expect there’s still a strong element of politeness in UK society that results in no cheering from cinema audiences. (Not at all suggesting this is a bad thing, btw. I prefer a silent audience at the cinema myself, and I am American.)
 

GreyLord

Legend
Has to be a US thing, do other parts of the world cheer at movies?

I came back with a reply, but thought, what does it actually help. It might just foster bad attitudes, so am editing it out overall.

I will keep the writing that most of the time those in the US ARE quiet during movies, and anyone who thinks that those in Europe or the UK are simply just more polite than Americans are at events (go to a Football event for example) probably just haven't been exposed to certain groups of rowdy people on either side of the ocean.

The general movie showing in the US is a rather quiet one though with no cheering or clapping or anything else except watching the film.
 

Janx

Hero
Loved it.

I didn't like the idea of rebooting Spiderman after Toby. Aside from #3's problems, he did a good job. But then Andrew also did a good job. And then that was also swept aside.

This movie reached out to both of them and hugged them into canon. Now when somebody asks what's the MCU watching order, it better include Toby and Andrew's films. (for the record, I stand by Release Date order as it was originally experienced). It also redeemed their villain deaths, something Sony inflicted the Batman Solution (since all those movies also killed their villain).

The premise that Strange would attempt such a spell seemed iffy, especially when right after canceling the spell, Steven finds out what Peter really needed was an adult who knew how college admissions worked. That last bit was realistic, because families sending their first to college have no reference.

I'm not sure how I feel about Peter and his ending with MJ and Ned. The reality is, his core dumping all of that on them right then would have been crazy. He'd need to play it slower, and this is supposed to be the end of the movie. Plus, MJ's statement of "it doesn't hurt anymore" kinda signals a move-on, don't risk breaking them.
 

Bagpuss

Hero
I’m assuming that wasn’t a back-handed shot at American movie audiences, right?

Not really cultures are different the world over. You guys probably wouldn't get pantomimes, or how offensive our football chants are for example.

I'm genuinely curious if it is just a US thing or does it happen in other parts of the world.
 

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