(Spoilers) Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix

stevelabny said:
i dont know why people never have caught on to this BUT harry spends the first four books CONSTANTLY saying I HATE YOU, I HATE THIS , I HATE THAT, and wanting to kill things. he has ALWAYS been a very angry, and potentially dangerous.
his use of an unforgiveable at the end of the book is no accident.
this boy is either a> evil or b> will go to the dark side to get more power to defeat voldemort [/B]

I'm not so sure of that. Consider his failure to perform too. Lestrange was kind enough to even explain it to us. He wanted to stop her, he didn't really want to torture her. I think Harry's basically a good kid under extremely stressful circumstances trying to do the best he can. I would seem to agree with Dumbledore, so I guess I'm in good company there. :)
 

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I also appreciated how Harry is not "the best" at everything in this book. He did not become prefect and he didn't win the Quidditch Cup. Ron got some deserved praise. Ron's always been kind of a Potsie, so it was nice to see him get some recognition beyond being Harry's best friend.

On that note, are we to believe that the Mirror of Erised's relection of Ron's desires are coming true? He already won the Quidditch Cup...will he be Head Boy?


Nah...it'll be Malfoy. Goodness. And I thought I was a D&D nerd. Yikes!
 

I liked it--Harry seems to becoming a teenager, between his moodiness and crushes. I also liked that he wasn't winning everything and that he was less sympathetic in this book.

Mostly, I'm curious about the backstory questions that Order of the Phoenix raised rather than answered.
What happened to deflate James Potter's ego?
How did Lily Evans actually start to like J. Potter?
How/when did Snape join the death eaters, why and when did he leave? And doesn't Voldemort know that Snape has betrayed him?

I'm also really keen to know how Harry deals with Snape in the next two books. Snape seems to be right in Harry's blindspot, always perceived as evil because he looks so evil--even though he seems to tirelessly work for Harry's safety. With Dumbledore's exhortations for trust and friendship at the end of the fourth book, the fifth book being about politics and nasty infighting among the good guys, Harry's continuing hatred of Snape seems pretty significant.
 

I liked it a lot. Better than 4 IMO, but then I had relatives in town all weekend and didn't get a chance to read it and finish until 5 AM (read thru all night :rolleyes: ). I may change my mind after digesting a bit.

I think JKR does a good job of showing teens and how they act. I've always been impressed at her ability to write "true to age." The characters change as they go through adolescence.

That said, things I liked:

Cho & Harry: He's had a crush for what? 2 years now? It's about time something happened. And I think Cho's emotional insecurities and outburst are very plausible for the situation: She liked Harry, but Cedric asked her out first. Cedric was a hunk and treated her nice. Cedric & Harry disappear, Cedric gets killed and Harry reappears in front of her (and everyone else) with Cedric's corpse. This is traumatic stuff for a teenage girl (or anyone for that matter). I also think a lot of the things that happened to Harry at the end of 4 explain his moodiness at the start of 5 quite well. I also like the idea that their relationship might be over. That's how school crushes go sometimes.

Ron & Hermione. Very believable, more mature but the same people. I wish a bit more of their relationship had been covered, but hey; maybe next book. Them being prefects, Ron on the team, etc. All good to me.

Umbridge. Man oh man! You just HAD to hate her!

Neville. I always like it when minor characters are fleshed out.

McGonagall was cool. She didn't leap off the page at me the way she did for some other people (by the looks of some posts above), but she was cool.

Fred & George. Not for their spectacular exit (& it was spectacular), but for the fact that they took control of their lives and made things happen.

Things I wasn't wowed by:

Dumbledore. I appreciated JKR's attempt to explain some of what he was thinking & doing during the past few years, but it didn't manage to ring true for me. I also have a pet peeve for deus ex machina characters that seem to never lose. It's like the old cartoon "Voltron"; if the robot shows up, the good guys win: end of story. He's too powerful to be interesting to me.

Occlumency: was interesting to see Snape & Harry one on one like that, but the whole thing was poorly structured to me.

Where the heck was Malfoy!?! I mean, I know he shows up now & again and is snide, etc. But he should've been a major thorn in Harry, Ron & Hermione's side all year. He was a Death Eaters son and a prefect and he was hardly an issue (off the Quidditch field) until "Martial Law" was declared.

I think the sleep-dep is making me ramble worse than usual. I'll cut this off now but I repeat: Great Book! Enjoyed it a lot.
 

One thing I was thinking on today was this:
Dumbledore didn't want to risk teaching Harry Occlumency himself in case You-Know-Who was watching. What about Snape? Presumably, they want YKW to think that Snape is still loyal to him; how would it look if he were to see through Harry's eyes and realize that Snape is teaching Harry to resist Voldemort's mind?
 

blackshirt5, I was thinking the same thing. I think that's why Snape got so angry in the second lesson, when Harry started thinking about the Dept. of Mysteries--it possibly exposed Snape to Voldemort....
 

A bit of an off topic, but for those who've seen both Dogma and the Harry Potter movies, does anyone else picture Snape spilling some potion on his robe, grabbing the edge of Hermione's robe, licking it and trying to wipe away the potion, muttering "It Never Ends!"?
 

blackshirt5 said:
A bit of an off topic, but for those who've seen both Dogma and the Harry Potter movies, does anyone else picture Snape spilling some potion on his robe, grabbing the edge of Hermione's robe, licking it and trying to wipe away the potion, muttering "It Never Ends!"?


uhhhh....

...no :p
 

blackshirt5 said:
A bit of an off topic, but for those who've seen both Dogma and the Harry Potter movies, does anyone else picture Snape spilling some potion on his robe, grabbing the edge of Hermione's robe, licking it and trying to wipe away the potion, muttering "It Never Ends!"?

Could they have picked a cooler acter to play Snape? I think not :)

Loved the 5th book- JK Rowling is definitely letting her "children's author" title slide though. I'm not complaining whatsoever- after all, most kids who wuuld read the series would have started already & are now thoroughly hooked on that perfect drug, literature.

I'm not sure what you guys think of Fan Fiction, but Cassandra Claire (talented lass who wrote the Very Secret Diaries) has done some brilliant Harry Potter fan fiction (written before book 5 came out, so some events couldn't have happened)- but VERY well written. I wonder if JK Rowling utilises C.C's "historical" references... check it out. (PS- it's about the size of a middling length trilogy, say Dragonlance)
http://www.schnoogle.com/authorLinks/Cassandra_Claire/
 

I'm going to have to say I rather liked the angry, moody, outburst-prone Harry. Honestly, I think he's been a bit blase about some of the stuff that's happened to him in the last four books. Then Voldemort returns, kills Cedric, and nearly kills Harry, and then's he stuck with the relatives from hell for a month with no contact from his own friends...

I'm honestly surprised he hasn't started blowing up sooner. The kid has successfully fought down Voldemort once, saving the sorcerer's stone, faced him down again in spirit form, killed a basilisk and rescued Ginny, fought over a hundred dementors, went through the many trials of the Triwizard Tournament, and all before unwillingly participating in the raising of Lord Voldemort and the death of one of his classmates. And up until this book, he's been mostly in the dark about the meaning of it all. He's not a child, yet people insist on treating him like one. I'm glad Dumbledore told all; Harry deserved it a long time ago.
 

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