John Crichton
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Howzat? CLU's motivations made perfect sense. He was designed to build the perfect system, so he did it the best way he knew how. The ISO's were far from perfect so they had to go.
[Spoilers] Tron Legacy Review
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Piratecat
Sesquipedalian
I wonder if you're missing the cultural links? He's deliberately channeling Bowie during his Ziggy Stardust phase. I actually quite liked this part; very true to the culture that existed when the world was created.
I liked Tron, mostly because I refuse to think too hard about it and nitpick. And to think, I could be using that force of will for good.
DumbPaladin
First Post
That part, I don't disagree with. But as mentioned elsewhere in this thread, what exactly was he going to do with his army of reprogrammed ... er ... programs? Was there anything said in the movie to suggest that programs have the ability to travel through the portal and suddenly spontaneously materialize in a human body there? Who or what, precisely, was this army going to invade?
Relique du Madde
Adventurer
I felt that ZEUS was also a caricature of an stereotypical carnival barker and the average 80s style video game "Games Master" type of NPC.
Well... if an ISO (digital life form) can then a program surely would be able to.. If not, then the programs could cause all sorts of havok when they reach the internet... It would be like Anon Script Kiddies... but with artificial intelligence.
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John Crichton
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Flynn said that CLU figured out that since Flynn could go to the grid that it made sense that CLU would be able to go the other way, and that it was possible with his disc. As to what would CLU and his army do when they got out? Try and create the perfect system, of course, which means removing all things that cause unstable variables. As to what form would programs take when they left the grid? I figured they would be programs on the outside as well. The only reason Quorra was able to take human form was due to her being more than just a program. She was a real lifeform with free will and everything that goes with it.
Rabulias
the Incomparably Shrewd and Clever
She took human form because she had Flynn's disc when she went through the portal. This was why CLU was searching high and low for Flynn: to get his disc.
I assumed that the doohickey CLU had the disc plugged into somehow amplified the effect, so he, his army, ships, etc., would manifest in the real world.
DumbPaladin
First Post
That's my point, though -- your suppositions are all well and good, and may even have been what the scriptwriter(s) had in mind ... but it isn't supported by anything stated in the movie via dialogue. Why not?
It'd have been VERY simple for CLU to simply include his "how we're going to take over" plans during his rather long-winded speech to his army of re-programs. We got the WHY, but not the how.
John Crichton
First Post
I'm cool with that interpretation, too.
The other possibility, according to the film, was that CLU needed the disc to get out and had no other way of doing so. Otherwise he would have just gotten himself out already.
What I said wasn't supposition, it was right there in the film. CLU destroyed the beings that could adapt (the ISOs) and re-purposed/enslaved the programs for his own purpose.
Because the how didn't matter. It's very probable that CLU didn't know how. What mattered was the danger he presented if he did get out.
Joshua Randall
Legend
Re: Zeus or Zuse or whatever... I got the Bowie reference. I just thought the character was awful and like I said, cringe inducing.
It wasn't funny to watch him. It was painful.
Also, during the scene where CLU gets the disk from Zeus, and was mixing the drink, I kept expecting the drink to be some kind of weird digital poison. Which would've been much cooler than the lame explosion they used.
It wasn't funny to watch him. It was painful.
Also, during the scene where CLU gets the disk from Zeus, and was mixing the drink, I kept expecting the drink to be some kind of weird digital poison. Which would've been much cooler than the lame explosion they used.
I saw Tron last weekend and basically loved it. Perhaps it's a case of having successfully lowered my expectations to the appropriate level...
Sure, it was bad in all the ways in expected it to be bad, but good in ways I didn't see coming. Jeff Bridges deserves the Oscar in a category that doesn't yet exist: Best Actor in a Film That Didn't Really Require Any Acting At All. And after being totally down on the color palette and general art design from the promos/previews, I was surprised to find the final product fairly beautiful. Also, new light cycles and light jets = cool.
I'd love a sequel that heads off squarely into the territory charted by Jeff Noon in his Vurt books. I mean, Tron: Legacy ends pointed in that direction. Here's hoping they run with it...
edit: and the sound track did indeed rock!
Sure, it was bad in all the ways in expected it to be bad, but good in ways I didn't see coming. Jeff Bridges deserves the Oscar in a category that doesn't yet exist: Best Actor in a Film That Didn't Really Require Any Acting At All. And after being totally down on the color palette and general art design from the promos/previews, I was surprised to find the final product fairly beautiful. Also, new light cycles and light jets = cool.
I'd love a sequel that heads off squarely into the territory charted by Jeff Noon in his Vurt books. I mean, Tron: Legacy ends pointed in that direction. Here's hoping they run with it...
edit: and the sound track did indeed rock!
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