Spontaneous Casters and Heighten Spell

[Thanee]

Nope, the wizard cannot cast 3rd level spells, only spells that are treated as 3rd level spells, which is a big difference. They are mechanically the same (for save DCs and such), but not really. Being able to cast 3rd level spells means with 3rd level slots and nothing else.

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Thanee

 

[Hypersmurf]

Nope, the wizard cannot cast 3rd level spells, only spells that are treated as 3rd level spells, which is a big difference.

But doesn't 'in all ways' mean that it's treated as a 3rd level spell for purpose of satisfying the requirement 'ability to cast 3rd level spells'?

If you're able to cast a spell that's treated as a 3rd level spell for purpose of satisfying the requirement 'ability to cast 3rd level spells', doesn't that by definition satisfy the requirement 'ability to cast 3rd level spells'?

-Hyp.

 

[Mistwell]

Being able to cast 3rd level spells means with 3rd level slots and nothing else.

Wrong. "A spellcaster always has the option to fill a higher-level spell slot with a lower-level spell. A spellcaster who lacks a high enough ability score to cast spells that would otherwise be his or her due still gets the slots but must fill them with spells of lower level."

So, we already know that spell slot is not irrevocably linked to spell level.

I don't think there is a rule that says that the spell slot defines the spell level. In fact, I think the rule I just cited says the opposite, that spell slot does not define spell level.

Spell level is generally defined by the spell being cast, in the spell description (such as Cleric 3). However, Heighten Spell is specifically an exception to this rule.

So, why does this not work?