Spontaneous casting and meta magic feats...

[Uriel - inactive]

Hello all,

Is it possible to meta-magic spontaneous spells (cleric cure spells or Forgotten Realms Signature Spell)? If so, how?

Thanks for the input.

Uriel

 

[hong]

Hello all,

Is it possible to meta-magic spontaneous spells (cleric cure spells or Forgotten Realms Signature Spell)? If so, how?

Yes. However, you have to use up a spell slot of the level of the metamagicked spell, so (eg) an empowered cure critical wounds would require a 6th level spell slot. The casting time is treated the same as for sorcs and bards using metamagic feats (ie the minimum spellcasting time is a full-round action). See the PHB p.78.

 

[Crothian]

Yes, it becomes a full round action. It works like meta magicing any spontanous spell like when a Bard or Sorcerer does it.

 

[pontus]

Yes, but it takes a full-round action to cast a spontaneous spell modified by metamagic.

 

[Rowenstin]

Does the casting time become then a full round casting (so dont take effect until the next round) or is just a full rund action (takes effect now)? I find it confusing.

 

[hong]

Does the casting time become then a full round casting (so dont take effect until the next round) or is just a full rund action (takes effect now)? I find it confusing.

Full-round action. Essentially it means the spellcaster can't make a regular move and also get the spell off.

 

[DrSpunj]

Okay...

Full-round action. Essentially it means the spellcaster can't make a regular move and also get the spell off.

This statement has me confused again. Every time I think I have figured out whether metamagicking a spell is a full round casting or a full round action I see something that screws me up again. I'm probably just being dense, but could someone please explain these rules to me? In very simple terms?

I am under the impression that if a Bard or Sorcerer uses a metamagic feat (like Silent Spell) they may have to use a higher level slot (for Silent it would be spell level +1) and the casting time is extended. If the normal casting time is 1 action then the new casting time would be 1 full round (and would take effect just before their initiative count the next round). If the normal casting time is 1 full round then it would take an additional full round and would take effect just before their initiative count 2 rounds later.

Is this correct or not?

If that same caster uses both Silent Spell and Still Spell (thereby requiring a slot 2 levels higher) does the casting take an additional full round beyond that required by just Silent spell?

Are the rules different for Clerics spontaneously casting metamagicked spells as the beginning of this thread was talking about?

Thanks a lot!

DrSpunj

 

[melkoriii]

Re: Okay...

This statement has me confused again. Every time I think I have figured out whether metamagicking a spell is a full round casting or a full round action I see something that screws me up again. I'm probably just being dense, but could someone please explain these rules to me? In very simple terms?

I am under the impression that if a Bard or Sorcerer uses a metamagic feat (like Silent Spell) they may have to use a higher level slot (for Silent it would be spell level +1) and the casting time is extended. If the normal casting time is 1 action then the new casting time would be 1 full round (and would take effect just before their initiative count the next round). If the normal casting time is 1 full round then it would take an additional full round and would take effect just before their initiative count 2 rounds later.

Is this correct or not?

If that same caster uses both Silent Spell and Still Spell (thereby requiring a slot 2 levels higher) does the casting take an additional full round beyond that required by just Silent spell?

Are the rules different for Clerics spontaneously casting metamagicked spells as the beginning of this thread was talking about?

Thanks a lot!

DrSpunj

Nope

Sor meta-magics cast them as full-round action. The spell is cast at the end of there turn. This just makes it so they can not do anything else but a 5' step.

 

[Caliban]

Re: Okay...

I am under the impression that if a Bard or Sorcerer uses a metamagic feat (like Silent Spell) they may have to use a higher level slot (for Silent it would be spell level +1) and the casting time is extended.

Not quite. The casting time of the spell is not changed, although it does take you longer to cast the spell. You spen a certain amount of time activating the metamagic feat, then you cast the spell, but it's all rolled into a single action.

If the normal casting time is 1 action then the new casting time would be 1 full round (and would take effect just before their initiative count the next round). If the normal casting time is 1 full round then it would take an additional full round and would take effect just before their initiative count 2 rounds later.

Is this correct or not?

If the normal casting time is 1 action, the would be a full round action to cast it, but would still take effect on your current initiative. Basically it's costing you an MEA to apply the metamagic feat, but it's rolled into the spellcasting action so that it's a one Full Round Action instead of an MEA+Partial.

If the normal casting time is 1 full round, then it would now take 1 full round plus 1 full round action. (It doesn't come into effect just before your next action, it take both your current action and your next action to cast it, and comes into effect on your next action.)

If that same caster uses both Silent Spell and Still Spell (thereby requiring a slot 2 levels higher) does the casting take an additional full round beyond that required by just Silent spell?

No, it only takes a full round action to cast the spell (or one extra round if it's a full round spell to begin with), no matter how many metamagic feats you apply.

Are the rules different for Clerics spontaneously casting metamagicked spells as the beginning of this thread was talking about?

Clerics follow exactly the same rules as sorcerers or bards when it comes to applying metamagic feats to spontaneously cast spells.

 

[EOL]

Spontaneously casting a meta-magiced spell is like a fighter making all of his iterative attacks or some other full-round action. It starts and finishes all on your turn, but you don't get to take a move (like a standard action) the most you can do is a five foot step.