Spring Attack and line of sight

[zlorf]

Do you have to have line of sight to your opponent to spring attack them?

ie wraith cannot spring attack from another room through a wall and then back through
the wall again as a tactic. Or you move around a corner decide to spring attack first person
you see, even though you couldnt see them from where you initially were.

Cheers
Z

 

[wildstarsreach]

Do you have to have line of sight to your opponent to spring attack them?

ie wraith cannot spring attack from another room through a wall and then back through
the wall again as a tactic. Or you move around a corner decide to spring attack first person
you see, even though you couldnt see them from where you initially were.

Cheers
Z

I would disagree with you since I vould move up a corridor be attacked from surprise amd then attack him and move on. Why couldn't they do what you mentioned above.

 

[Plane Sailing]

Do you have to have line of sight to your opponent to spring attack them?

ie wraith cannot spring attack from another room through a wall and then back through
the wall again as a tactic. Or you move around a corner decide to spring attack first person
you see, even though you couldnt see them from where you initially were.

Nope, you don't have to have line of sight to spring attack them. You just move, attack and move.

wraiths sense life force anyway, so they might be a bad choice to talk about springing out through walls

 

[zlorf]

So you dont have to announce you are spring attacking before you move?
A spring attack is a fullround action right?

I presume then if a wraith goes through a wall and someone is close to the wall , they may get a AoO from that person, because the wraith didnt specify it was spring attacking.

Also a Elocater has the following feat:
Dimension Spring Attack (Su)
An elocater of 9th level or higher can use her dimension step ability in conjunction with her Spring Attack feat once per day. This ability can be used only against opponents within 60 feet to which the elocater has line of sight. She can dimension step up to the target, use Spring Attack, and then use dimension step to return to her starting point. (When she uses this ability, the total distance she can travel before and after the attack is not limited by her speed.) The use of this ability counts as her use of the dimension step ability on that day (and this ability is not available during a day when she has already used dimension step).

Nope, you don't have to have line of sight to spring attack them. You just move, attack and move.

wraiths sense life force anyway, so they might be a bad choice to talk about springing out through walls

 

[Plane Sailing]

So you dont have to announce you are spring attacking before you move?
A spring attack is a fullround action right?

I can't see why you'd have to announce you are spring attacking before you move. Announce it before you move into someones threatend area, sure - but the melee round is flexible enough that you can change your mind about what you are doing in lots of cases (e.g. you don't have to declare a full attack and then carry it out - if your first attack drops a foe you can then decide that you've just done your 'standard action attack' and take a move action or MEA instead.

Cheers

 

[zlorf]

Do other attacks require you to mention what your are doing first. Ie Fullround attack.
If i attack a monster and kill it with my first hit can i decide to move 30ft even though my
initial intention was to use all my attacks and maybe take a 5ft step? Isn't this something
I have to announce to the DM beforehand?

If so wouldnt that be the same with spring attack?

Im DMing so, im happy to spring attack all day, but the situation may come up down the track when a player has blink ring and spring attack, they could also use the same tactic.
And of course it would be fine.

I would disagree with you since I vould move up a corridor be attacked from surprise amd then attack him and move on. Why couldn't they do what you mentioned above.

 

[zlorf]

Ah you just answered my last post before i posted it.

You smart..*grin*

Cheers
Z

I can't see why you'd have to announce you are spring attacking before you move. Announce it before you move into someones threatend area, sure - but the melee round is flexible enough that you can change your mind about what you are doing in lots of cases (e.g. you don't have to declare a full attack and then carry it out - if your first attack drops a foe you can then decide that you've just done your 'standard action attack' and take a move action or MEA instead.

Cheers

 

[Hypersmurf]

I can't see why you'd have to announce you are spring attacking before you move. Announce it before you move into someones threatend area, sure.

I can see potential for an oddity, there, though. Let's say you suspect there's an ogre around the corner, and you wish to Spring Attack, but you have to move past the orc to get to the corner. You do so, provoking an AoO - and when you get to the corner, you can see there's no ogre after all. So you make the orc the target of your attack... which means that, thanks to the Spring Attack feat, you didn't provoke an AoO from him after all...

-Hyp.

 

[zlorf]

I think if have already copped the AoO then its to late to decide that you were spring attacking, the one disadvantage of not having line of sight to a target. You risk being tripped, grappled etc,
Nothing stopping you from going back to the orc and attacking it using spring attack if movement allows it. After all it cannot AoO you again for just movement, but if your springing you can move away also.

Cheers
Z

I can see potential for an oddity, there, though. Let's say you suspect there's an ogre around the corner, and you wish to Spring Attack, but you have to move past the orc to get to the corner. You do so, provoking an AoO - and when you get to the corner, you can see there's no ogre after all. So you make the orc the target of your attack... which means that, thanks to the Spring Attack feat, you didn't provoke an AoO from him after all...

-Hyp.

 

[TheGogmagog]

I can see potential for an oddity, there, though. Let's say you suspect there's an ogre around the corner, and you wish to Spring Attack, but you have to move past the orc to get to the corner. You do so, provoking an AoO - and when you get to the corner, you can see there's no ogre after all. So you make the orc the target of your attack... which means that, thanks to the Spring Attack feat, you didn't provoke an AoO from him after all...

-Hyp.

I think that was Plane Sailing's point. (except he mentioned before you move into a threatened square where he should have said Out of). I would also not have a problem with someone deciding late in their move that they will use a feat. It wouldn't undo AoO's though.