Spring Attack and some other questions

[Lopke_Quasath]

1)Improved Trip - With the Strength vs Str/Dex check, who wins in a tie?

2) Can you use Improved Trip as your attack action with Spring Attack?

3) Can you use Stunning Fist as your attack action with Spring Attack?

4) Can you use Stunning Fist multiple times in a flurry? (If you're a monk and have enough uses per day)


Cheers

 

[SadisticFishing]

Nothing happens (no trip).

Yes.

Yes.

I don't think so, but I can't remember if I actually read that. I think there's a feat that lets you use stunning fist more than once each round, which infers that you can't otherwise, but I don't know.

 

[Hypersmurf]

1)Improved Trip - With the Strength vs Str/Dex check, who wins in a tie?

The relevant rules are here:

An ability check is a roll of 1d20 plus the appropriate ability modifier. Essentially, you’re making an untrained skill check.

and

Opposed Checks
An opposed check is a check whose success or failure is determined by comparing the check result to another character’s check result. In an opposed check, the higher result succeeds, while the lower result fails. In case of a tie, the higher skill modifier wins. If these scores are the same, roll again to break the tie.

So in essence, you can say that on a tie on an opposed check, whoever rolled the lower natural result on the d20 wins... and if both rolls were identical, reroll.

2) Can you use Improved Trip as your attack action with Spring Attack?

You can Trip as your attack action with Spring Attack, and if successful, Improved Trip will permit you a melee attack.

4) Can you use Stunning Fist multiple times in a flurry? (If you're a monk and have enough uses per day)

You may attempt a stunning attack once per day for every four levels you have attained, and no more than once per round.

-Hyp.

 

[Lopke_Quasath]

Thank you both for your answers.

Hypersmurf, I shall assume then that Question 3 is also a "Yes". Since you can make a Trip attack, you can make another sort of attack.

As for Question 4, I wasn't sure if monks had the same Stunning Fist rules applied to them, since they are exempt from Stunning Fist's pre-req's if they take the feat at 1st level.

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A last question then, if you please.

5) Since you can make a Trip attempt with Spring Attack, let's look at another angle.
If you DON'T have Improved Trip, what happens to the AoO caused by attempting a Trip attempt?
Spring Attack nullifies an AoO from the target of your attack, but Trip grants another AoO for the attempt. Is there an AoO for the Trip Attempt?

Thank you!

 

[Moon-Lancer]

yes

 

[Hypersmurf]

Hypersmurf, I shall assume then that Question 3 is also a "Yes". Since you can make a Trip attack, you can make another sort of attack.

Well, Stunning Fist is simply something you modify an existing attack with. As long as you can make an unarmed attack, you can use Stunning Fist (though not more than once per round).

As for Question 4, I wasn't sure if monks had the same Stunning Fist rules applied to them, since they are exempt from Stunning Fist's pre-req's if they take the feat at 1st level.

Prerequisites are different to limitations. For example, Deflect Arrows says "You must have at least one hand free (holding nothing) to use this feat". A monk can take the feat at 2nd level even if he doesn't have 13 Dex... but he still can't deflect anything if his hands are full.

5) Since you can make a Trip attempt with Spring Attack, let's look at another angle.
If you DON'T have Improved Trip, what happens to the AoO caused by attempting a Trip attempt?
Spring Attack nullifies an AoO from the target of your attack, but Trip grants another AoO for the attempt. Is there an AoO for the Trip Attempt?

What Spring Attack says is "Moving in this way does not provoke an attack of opportunity from the defender you attack". So it prevents the AoO that would normally be provoked by 'moving in this way', but does nothing to prevent any other AoOs you might provoke.

-Hyp.

 

[Legildur]

5) Since you can make a Trip attempt with Spring Attack, let's look at another angle.
If you DON'T have Improved Trip, what happens to the AoO caused by attempting a Trip attempt?
Spring Attack nullifies an AoO from the target of your attack, but Trip grants another AoO for the attempt. Is there an AoO for the Trip Attempt?

From the SRD (my emphasis): "Moving in this way does not provoke an attack of opportunity from the defender you attack, ..."

Spring Attack only negates the AOO for movement (and from the defender only).

If you attempt a Trip without a 'tripping' weapon or using an unarmed attack without the Improved Trip feat, then you'll provoke an AOO from an armed defender.

 

[Kmart Kommando]

I think it's in Complete Warrior, there is a feat called Rapid Stunning, which lets you use it more than once per round.

 

[Lopke_Quasath]

Great!

Thank you all for your answers

 

[Hypersmurf]

If you attempt a Trip without a 'tripping' weapon or using an unarmed attack without the Improved Trip feat*, then you'll provoke an AOO from an armed defender.

* or Improved Unarmed Strike.

-Hyp.