Spring Attack question (merged)

[Thanee]

Spring Attack is not an action at all, it's a feat that modifies the way you can use a Move action on the same turn as an Attack action, basically.

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Thanee

 

[Lasher Dragon]

You are correct Thanee. You can tumble as part of your move, anytime when the terrain would not hinder you, IIRC. You can tumble UP TO one half your movement rate during a single move action, or you could do a double move and tumble basically your movement rate. I think you can also tumble faster by increasing the DC, but don't quote me on that.

 

[Altamont Ravenard]

No, when you are using Spring Attack, you use a Standard (Attack) action to attack and a Move action to move.

The requirement for using Spring Attack to split your Move action into two parts is to perform an Attack action (with a melee weapon) on the same turn.

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Thanee

That's not what I'm reading.

Benefit: When using the attack action with a melee weapon, you can move both before and after the attack, provided that your total distance moved is not greater than your speed. Moving in this way does not provoke an attack of opportunity from the defender you attack, though it might provoke attacks of opportunity from other creatures, if appropriate. You can’t use this feat if you are wearing heavy armor.
You must move at least 5 feet both before and after you make your attack in order to utilize the benefits of Spring Attack.

If it works the way you say it (and it probably does, because it would be more logical), I'd say that there would have been much better ways of saying it, simply by stating that your move action can be split in two. As it stands now, there is no actual mention of a move action, even if there is mention of movement.

AR

 

[Altamont Ravenard]

I think you can also tumble faster by increasing the DC, but don't quote me on that.

By taking a penalty, in fact, but it amounts to the same thing.

AR

 

[Thanee]

Ok, then how far can you move with such an Attack action? Your speed and then still have a move action left to move your speed again?

So Spring Attack basically gives you an extra Move action?

Not very likely...

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Thanee

 

[Jdvn1]

I think you can also tumble faster by increasing the DC, but don't quote me on that.

Yeah, you can tumble at your speed. They mention it and the DC in CAd.

 

[Lasher Dragon]

LOL Another case of dodgy wording causing one helluva loophole. Seems to me like it just uses the attack action, so theoretically you could get a move in there as well. I know no one in my circle plays it that way, but I suppose it could be interpreted as such.

 

[Hypersmurf]

The main problem is that Spring Attack was not wholly rewritten for 3.5.

In 3E, the attack action was a standard action. In other words, it let you make an attack and move your speed, or trade that movement for an MEA.

In 3.5, standard actions no longer include a move. Instead, the move is a separate action. So 3.5 Spring Attack should say that when you take the attack action with melee weapon, you can take a move action to move before and after the attack, etc, etc.

In 3E, the movement was already part of the attack action, so that clarification was unnecessary.

But in 3.5, you can assume it's implied.

-Hyp.

 

[Altamont Ravenard]

Ok, then how far can you move with such an Attack action? Your speed and then still have a move action left to move your speed again?

So Spring Attack basically gives you an extra Move action?

Hence my other, soon-to-be-deleted-because-of-its-obsoleteness thread.



Another way of clearing the text would have been to say:

provided that your total distance moved DURING THE WHOLE FRICKIN' ROUND is not greater than your speed

AR (kind of sounds like "error" when you say it, no?)

 

[Thanee]

@Hypersmurf: You should just have locked the other thread... now it's kinda confusing with the posts mixed into these here...

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Thanee