Spring Attack related question...

[jontherev]

It tells me that you can substitute a move for an action, nothing more. If I move my speed x1, then it is just a move. If I move twice my speed, then I am actually doing an action. It's called a Double Move. If I move 4 (or 5) times my speed I am doing another action, it is called Running. If I drink a potion, I am replacing my MOVE with the action of drinking a potion.

You can substitute a partial action for a Move-Equivalent action too. That doesn't mean Move-Equivalent actions are partial actions now, does it?

No, you don't substitute a move for an action. The move is a part of the standard action. You may subsitute a M-E action for the move though. You have it backwards.

And no, you cannot substitute a partial action EVER. You can ready a partial action, but that is not substituting. You are actually giving up part of your standard action to ready, though readying a partial charge can alleviate that somewhat.

My main point is about the actual wording of the ET feat. You really need to address that first imo. I consider a regular or normal action to be what I normally do in 1 round, not just part of the round. Also, why do you think some actions are called move-equivalent if the movement they substitute for is not an action? I thought equivalent meant equal.

 

[Magus_Jerel]

You can substitute a partial action for a Move-Equivalent action too. That doesn't mean Move-Equivalent actions are partial actions now, does it?

oh boy oh boy ... go for it RigaMortis - been trying to get this thru thick skulls for quite some time. be ready to get shouted down from every corner.

And no, you cannot substitute a partial action EVER. You can ready a partial action, but that is not substituting. You are actually giving up part of your standard action to ready, though readying a partial charge can alleviate that somewhat.

oh really? see "Double move action"

 

[Artoomis]

You can substitute a partial action for a Move-Equivalent action too. That doesn't mean Move-Equivalent actions are partial actions now, does it?

No, you CAN'T substitute a partial action for a move-equivalent action. Where did that come from?

You can NOT, in fact, CHOOSE to take a partial action. You take a partial action if:

You are SLOWED (then it's all you get)
You are HASTED (you get an extra partial action)
You Ready an action,
and possibly from some feats.

You do NOT get a partial action as part of a Standard action or Full-Round Action.

 

[Magus_Jerel]

You can NOT, in fact, CHOOSE to take a partial action. You take a partial action if:

You are SLOWED (then it's all you get)
You are HASTED (you get an extra partial action)
You Ready an action,
and possibly from some feats.

You do NOT get a partial action as part of a Standard action or Full-Round Action.

Characters do not choose to take partial actions, but they are sometimes mandated by situations, such as a character's condition or a previous decision.

Players make decisions for their characters...
Players choose to take actions -
Their character does them.

What makes a player willfully choosing a partial action verboten?
- nothing

 

[Savage Wombat]

Or during the surprise round.

 

[jontherev]

oh really? see "Double move action"

A double move is a full round action, so what is your point?

 

[jontherev]

Or during the surprise round.

[Ed Mcman(sp?)]You are correct sir![/Ed Mcman]

 

[Magus_Jerel]

a double move is a "special standard action" in which you substitute a mea for a partial action.

Standard action = type of full round action = partial action + mea

you said that you could never substitute a mea for a partial action..

Double move by definition does so.

 

[The Sigil]

Backwards...

You can substitute a partial action for a Move-Equivalent action too. That doesn't mean Move-Equivalent actions are partial actions now, does it?

No, you can't substitute a Partial Action for a MEA... you've got it backwards...

From the SRD
Move-Equivalent Action: Move-equivalent actions take the place of movement in a standard action or take the place of an entire partial action. The combatant can normally also take a 5 foot step.

Key phrase... "Move equivalent actions... take the place of an entire partial action."

This says you can substitute an MEA for a Partial Action, not the other way around.

In layman's terms, the following is true per the definition of MEA:

"If I have a Partial Action, I can use it to take an MEA."

But no rule (or logical derivation from the rules) states that

"If I have an MEA, I can use it to take a Partial Action."

IOW, it's a one-way trip from PA down the slope to MEA.

There's a big long debate going on about this on the "Can I choose to make casting a spell a full-round action" thread. Hopefully it won't spill over here.

--The Sigil

 

[Artoomis]

Characters do not choose to take partial actions, but they are sometimes mandated by situations, such as a character's condition or a previous decision.

Players make decisions for their characters...
Players choose to take actions -
Their character does them.

What makes a player willfully choosing a partial action verboten?
- nothing

Previous decision = Readied Action.

You cannot willfully choose a partial action because it DOES NOT WORK with the system.

This belongs in the other thread, so everyone should go to

http://www.enworld.org/messageboards/showthread.php?s=&threadid=9848&pagenumber=7

for this discussion.