[Spycraft] Firearm Questions

[Luddite]

I found this to be odd. I could point a laser sight at the moon and, considering I had a powerful enough telescope and worked out the math, I'd be able to spot it on the moon's surface.

I don't think it is ment that the laser has a "range" of 50 ft. However, that past 50ft, the un-augmented human eye probably wont be able to gain enough information to "see" the dot on the target. Or at least enough to get the full +2 on the "to hit" roll.

-The Luddite

 

[Steve Conan Trustrum]

I don't think it is ment that the laser has a "range" of 50 ft. However, that past 50ft, the un-augmented human eye probably wont be able to gain enough information to "see" the dot on the target. Or at least enough to get the full +2 on the "to hit" roll.

-The Luddite

That's an important distinction to leave out. A sniper using a laser sight in conjunction with a simple telescopic scope wouldn't be restricted to such a limitation. I know for my game, when I get it up and running, this is one thing that's getting altered.

 

[hellbender]

While a .50 caliber weapon can be silenced, there is really little point in the real world for two reasons:

1: With the grain load of standard .50 caliber, there will still be a loud sound, even with a canister silencer. Silencers work much better on rimfire ammunition (ammunition with a chemical primer, which is relugated for the most part to .22-.27 caliber ammunition) as opposed to ammunition with a metal primer loaded with priming mix (centerfire ammunition). Never underestimate the damage done by a .22 hollowpoint. The new Velocitor rounds put out by ATK are even deadlier and go much further.

2: When you are using a pistol to shoot someone, you are trying to do serious damage or deal a fatal wound, if you aren't, you are shooting in the air. The most effective assassins shoot people in broad daylight with no silencer. Why? Because people and animals do not face loud disruptive sounds, they flee, unless they are specially conditioned or are expecting the round to go off in another direction. A loud shot goes off in a public square, and the shooter will be the only person standing as most people naturally drop to the ground at loud sounds.

hellbender [ex-adventurer and ammunition loader]

 

[Ds Da Man]

The point of the laser, or dot, actually increases in size proportionally with range. Standing fifty feet away, you could have a "dot" over the size of a dime (I don't know the actual dimensions), and at longer ranges, the "dot" could be a lot larger. Most snipers don't use lasers, they use scopes.

 

[Steve Conan Trustrum]

The point of the laser, or dot, actually increases in size proportionally with range. Standing fifty feet away, you could have a "dot" over the size of a dime (I don't know the actual dimensions), and at longer ranges, the "dot" could be a lot larger. Most snipers don't use lasers, they use scopes.

I've never seen laser sights lose their coherence so quickly over such short ranges, and I've seen them in live field use ...

 

[Ds Da Man]

Well, I didn't claim to know the actual dispersion of the beam, but I do own several laser sights, and they do gain in size over a distance. As stated, check into modern sniper rifle set-ups, and you probably won't see many with laser sights, just laser range-finding scopes.

 

[Steve Conan Trustrum]

SWAT teams and spec forces snipers trained in urban assault use them in "prime" conditions. Are yours commercial or military/police models?

 

[Ds Da Man]

Urban assualt is a little different then long range sniping. I'm not saying that there may not be some laser sights made (Mil/Law) that have a better cohesion a a longer range, but mine are fairly good. I am saying that if you are taking a long enough shot, that you couldn't see the laser sot anyway, then you add a scope, you would be just as accurate without the laser, and the laser dot would be bigger, and very noticeable. Lasers fit well with close-quarter fighting, not long range shooting.