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[Ranger REG]

I know not all fans don't like all the shows. I for example don't like Next Gen or Enterprise (except for the last season as well). My friend who I was talking about does not like DS9. And though I came into Trek fandom through TOS and it will always have a soft spot in my heart DS9 is my favorite Trek.

But on the whole there is not so much negative anger direct over this in the fandom like there is in BSG fandom or like what is happening and happened in Stargate fandom.

And yes I know that they will change it to bring in the new fans all I can hope is that they won't be as rude and arrogant as some of the new BSG fans are.

Meh. Just got to live with them, and hope they grow up to appreciate the franchise as a whole.

At least the Trek franchise have so many series and films to cover a wide variety of audience's taste. I still like TNG even if you don't. I like DS9 even if they critically call it a "soap opera in a floating station that goes nowhere."

 

[Vigilance]

In my long winded way I guess what I am saying is that for some of us who are more than just fans who watch the show but have parts of our life heavily involved in the actual fandom of the show feel a lot of unease over this. We don't want to see Trek fandom split like BSG fandom.

So, you'd rather another TOS movie never happen because it might create a schism in fandom and make cons less fun to go to?

You'd rather have the cons than the actual works that inspire the cons?

And btw, this idea that the show being an integral part of your life will somehow influence how you feel about a potential recasting isn't true in my case. My first television memory is watching TOS on Saturday morning at about the age of 8. It was a two hour block of one TOS episode and two TAS episodes which I watched instead of cartoons.

Again, I love the old show. That is EXACTLY why this movie appeals to me. The idea of seeing more stories about Kirk and Spock.

I like the New Voyages fan films, I always thought it was a great idea to do new stories set during the old series.

And yeah, they could use a different crew... but what folks seem to be missing is that the CHARACTERS are what's great about the old show.

Chuck

 

[Elf Witch]

So, you'd rather another TOS movie never happen because it might create a schism in fandom and make cons less fun to go to?

You'd rather have the cons than the actual works that inspire the cons?

And btw, this idea that the show being an integral part of your life will somehow influence how you feel about a potential recasting isn't true in my case. My first television memory is watching TOS on Saturday morning at about the age of 8. It was a two hour block of one TOS episode and two TAS episodes which I watched instead of cartoons.

Again, I love the old show. That is EXACTLY why this movie appeals to me. The idea of seeing more stories about Kirk and Spock.

I like the New Voyages fan films, I always thought it was a great idea to do new stories set during the old series.

And yeah, they could use a different crew... but what folks seem to be missing is that the CHARACTERS are what's great about the old show.

Chuck

I would rather see something new and fresh not a rehash of the 23 century. I would like to see the Trek universe evolve on the big screen or on TV. For me the books are enough they have done a wonderful job of filling in the holes as well as the thousands of pages of fanfic I have read in the last 35 years.

I also enjoy the New Voyagers because I feel like they are a loving tribute done by fans of the show. Not people who just want to milk the cash cow that is Trek.

I don't see why they need to set it in the 23 century to bring in new fans who think TOS is a cheesy old sixties show. I would think that if they wanted to bring in new fans the young ones they would pick something newer. They have already shown that going back in the timeline did not bring new fans into the fandom.


And yes I will be very honest I would rather never see another Trek made if it is anything like the new BSG and I would rather see Trek fandom age and wither way then have it become as fractous and nasty as BSG fandom became. But I also reconize that how I feel about it has no influence on what is going to happen.

As I have said before this in my opinion and how I feel about it. I am certainly not trying to say that someone who feels differently is not as much a Trek fan as I am or their opinion is any less valid. If you are looking forward to something like what the rumors say then I hope you enjoy what they make.

Who knows maybe it will be so good that I will change my mind about it, that has happened in the past.

 

[Elf Witch]

Meh. Just got to live with them, and hope they grow up to appreciate the franchise as a whole.

At least the Trek franchise have so many series and films to cover a wide variety of audience's taste. I still like TNG even if you don't. I like DS9 even if they critically call it a "soap opera in a floating station that goes nowhere."

I just could never get into the Next Gen I just found the characters to be so perfect and sometimes they came off so smug. I do think Next Gen had some excellent writing of stories. I really liked the movie First Contact it is up there as one of my favorite Trek movies.

I am a character person I am more into the characters than the story. Which is why I enjoyed Voyager because I really liked the characters even though I think the show itself never really found its voice and had some poor wrtiting.

I like DS9 so much because of the character development that went on in the show.

I really wanted to like Enterprise. I am big fan of Scott Backula so I was exicited to see him in a Trek show. But I found myself bored with the show it did not hold my attention. I just slowly stopped watching until Manny Coto came on board. I had really enjoyed Odyssey 5 so I wanted to see what he was going to do. And I found his season except for that awful final episode to be a wonderfully written show. It was really to bad that they didn't give it a second chance.

 

[Vigilance]

I would rather see something new and fresh not a rehash of the 23 century. I would live to see the Trek universe evolve on the big screen or on TV. For me the books are enough they have done a wonderful job of filling in the holes as well as the thousands of pages of fanfic I have read in the last 35 years.

I also enjoy the New Voyagers because I feel like they are a loving tribute done by fans of the show. Not people who just wnat to milk the cash cow that is Trek.

I don't see why they need to set it in the 23 century to bring in new fans who think TOS is a cheesy old sixties show. I would think that if they wanted to bring in new fans the young ones they would pick something newer. They have already shown that going back in the timeline did not bring new fans into the fandom.


And yes I will be very honest I would rather never see another Trek made if it is anything like the new BSG and I would rather see Trek fandom age and wither way then have it become as fractous and nasty as BSG fandom became. But I also reconize that how I feel about it has no influence on what is going to happen.

As I have said before this in my opinion and how I feel about it. I am certainly not trying to say that someone who feels differently is not as much a Trek fan as I am or their opinion is any less valid. If you are looking forward to something like what the rumors say then I hope you enjoy what they make.

Who knows maybe it will be so good that I will change my mind about it, that has happened in the past.

Two things:

First, I don't think a movie is the right place to introduce a new crew. Maybe it could work. Joss Whedon managed to pull off introducing crew+ship+universe but that doesn't mean it wasn't a huge stupid human trick (my proof of this is that my dad saw Serenity and loved it without ever seeing a single episode of Firefly).

Second, this wasn't a proposal for new trek from dozens of movie offers. If we were going to get Trek anytime in the next several years, this is the trek we were going to get. Paramount was not actively looking for a Trek movie, they were looking for projects with JJ Abrams, a director they think is the next Spielberg.

It was HIS passion for Kirk and TOS that set all this in motion.

So I like the idea of more Kirk stories, but I could have been sold on just about anything that wasn't another TNG movie. But since this proposal was the only chance I had for more trek in the forseeable future, then yeah I support it.

 

[Seonaid]

In the afterword, he talks about the long-suffering plans for a Star Wolf TV series.

Whoa . . . you have access to the afterworld?

Oh, wait. You said afterword, not afterworld. My bad.

I really wanted to like Enterprise. I am big fan of Scott Backula so I was exicited to see him in a Trek show. But I found myself bored with the show it did not hold my attention. I just slowly stopped watching until Manny Coto came on board. I had really enjoyed Odyssey 5 so I wanted to see what he was going to do. And I found his season except for that awful final episode to be a wonderfully written show.

I felt the same way. I really enjoyed Quantum Leap and was really excited to hear that Bakula would be in the new Trek. But, like you, it bored me. Unfortunately, I lost interest long before the last season. I did tune in to see the final episode and because I had missed pretty much all of the last three seasons, it confirmed my opinion that Enterprise was a load of crap. Unfortunately. Eventually I will go back and watch the entirety of the series, because I'm like that, but I was highly highly disappointed.

I also thought it was interesting that of all the Treks, Enterprise had the highest percentage of Beautiful People (IMO, of course). I kind of had the impression, due to the poor quality of the show itself, that they did that to compensate. :\

 

[Elf Witch]

Two things:

First, I don't think a movie is the right place to introduce a new crew. Maybe it could work. Joss Whedon managed to pull off introducing crew+ship+universe but that doesn't mean it wasn't a huge stupid human trick (my proof of this is that my dad saw Serenity and loved it without ever seeing a single episode of Firefly).

Second, this wasn't a proposal for new trek from dozens of movie offers. If we were going to get Trek anytime in the next several years, this is the trek we were going to get. Paramount was not actively looking for a Trek movie, they were looking for projects with JJ Abrams, a director they think is the next Spielberg.

It was HIS passion for Kirk and TOS that set all this in motion.

So I like the idea of more Kirk stories, but I could have been sold on just about anything that wasn't another TNG movie. But since this proposal was the only chance I had for more trek in the forseeable future, then yeah I support it.

I took a freind to see Serenity who had never seen Firefly and they loved it.

And you maybe right about making a new Trek movie from scratch.

I will say this about JJ Abrams he made the last Mission Impossible film have the feel of the old show soemthing the first had not ben able to do. So maybe he will do a good job and I will be happy with the finished project.

I like Anne Rice had to eat crow over my belief that there was no way in hell that Tom Cruise would be able to pull of Lestat. maybe I will end up having to do that with this project as well.

 

[Elf Witch]

Whoa . . . you have access to the afterworld?

Oh, wait. You said afterword, not afterworld. My bad. I felt the same way. I really enjoyed Quantum Leap and was really excited to hear that Bakula would be in the new Trek. But, like you, it bored me. Unfortunately, I lost interest long before the last season. I did tune in to see the final episode and because I had missed pretty much all of the last three seasons, it confirmed my opinion that Enterprise was a load of crap. Unfortunately. Eventually I will go back and watch the entirety of the series, because I'm like that, but I was highly highly disappointed.

I also thought it was interesting that of all the Treks, Enterprise had the highest percentage of Beautiful People (IMO, of course). I kind of had the impression, due to the poor quality of the show itself, that they did that to compensate. :\

some of the characters really bugged the hell out of me. I could not stand either of the females. Jolene Block is a beautiful woman but I felt like she was cast to just turn on the young boys.

Not that there is anything wrong with having sexy woman but it should feel like there is more to why they are there than just to tantilize.

 

[Seonaid]

Jolene Block is a beautiful woman but I felt like she was cast to just turn on the young boys.

Not that there is anything wrong with having sexy woman but it should feel like there is more to why they are there than just to tantilize.

Exactly. I thought most of the male leads were above-average in looks as well. Nothing wrong with that, except when it's compensation for something else.

 

[Ranger REG]

I just could never get into the Next Gen I just found the characters to be so perfect and sometimes they came off so smug. I do think Next Gen had some excellent writing of stories. I really liked the movie First Contact it is up there as one of my favorite Trek movies.

What did you expect? We have already gone through the "Frontier Train to the Stars" routine.

TNG was supposed to represent the Renaissance, which is what Roddenberry laid down during the first season.

It's only AFTER he was replaced by Berman did they started to create conflicts for the "civilized" Federation.

I really wanted to like Enterprise. I am big fan of Scott Backula so I was exicited to see him in a Trek show. But I found myself bored with the show it did not hold my attention. I just slowly stopped watching until Manny Coto came on board. I had really enjoyed Odyssey 5 so I wanted to see what he was going to do. And I found his season except for that awful final episode to be a wonderfully written show. It was really to bad that they didn't give it a second chance.

For the record, Manny Coto is not responsible for the series finale episode. He got trumped by his former bosses.