ST: From 007 to ... NCC-1701???

[Elf Witch]

If you consider the animation's timeline (I don't), his daughter Joanna (born c. 2249) would be 2 years old while McCoy, a Starfleet Medical student (probably a reserve officer training program at University of Misssippi, to be graduated in 2253) is leading a mass innoculation program at Dramma II at 2251.

Even the animation's timeline puts McCoy at least 6 years older than Kirk (supporting sources).



Maybe. And Joanna McCoy was supposed to be in the "space hippie" episode, "The Way to Eden," written by DC Fontana, but they rewrote her script and replace the Joanna character with Irina, whom Chekov fell in love.

It's Kirk who was about 14-15 years older than Chekov. Don't confuse the two.

I know that they changed Joanna to Irina that was not Rodenberry's idea he was not as involved in third season, But the Trek bible always had Mccoy having a daughter. Which is why DC wrote the episode the way she did.

I used to do the conventions back in the 70s not as a guest but as staff and I spent several cons talking to Gene and one of the conversations we had was the relative ages of the characters. One of the reasons they cast De in the role of McCoy was the fact that the actor was 11 years older than Shatner. They wanted to show that the character was older and not a contemporary of Kirk.

He was have supposed to already finished medical school and was practicing as a doctor before he joined Starfleet.


Spock because vulcans live longer than humans had already had the start of career at the Vulcan science academy before he joined Starfleet. It was always my understanding that he did not go through the academy the way Kirk had done.

As for what is considered canon and not that has always been a debate among fans. I know that the books are not considered part of the official cannon. A lot of fans do consider the Animated show to be cannon.

As for the creator of the show sometimes he did and sometimes he didn't I have heard him take both stands on it.

I know one thing the LP that Mark Lenard did where he is Sarek being interviewed was considered cannon by Gene.

Anyway I knew know that they were not all at academy together.

 

[Elf Witch]

I'm not so up on my pre-NG Trek, but aren't there some other semi-canon crews out there? Why not something about Pike?

Or Captain April.

 

[Elf Witch]

I tend to agree. DS9 was great, but it's also over.

But I still would prefer a new series/movie set after the DS9 events (if neccessary, also taking Voyager into account, but I prefer to forget most of it ).
Going back will always hurt a bit because of the thousand continuty issues arising from it.
I am not certain that they can pull off a Battlestar Galactica reboot (BSG had only 2 seasons to "forget", Star trek has 5 whole series and 10 movies) with Startrek. (But if they can, more power to them. )

I don't agree that DS9 is over there are a lot of stories that could still be told. I know the books are not considered cannon but the books being written set DS9 after the series have some excellent ideas.

You have Ro as the new security chief, the new science officer is an andorian and they have been getting into their culture. Odo sent a Jemhadar to help Kira.

The new first officer is an older man who like Bashir has had dealings with section 31. Garak is on Cardassia trying to help rebuild that shattered world.

And just nitpicking about Battlestar Galactica it had one season and then the horrible reboot of Galatica 1980 which not even the creator considers part of the cannon and would have ingnored it if he had done a continuation.

 

[Nifft]

Dame Judi Dench, perhaps?

"By God I miss the Temporal Cold War!"

-- N

 

[Seonaid]

::snicker:: I love it!

 

[Ranger REG]

I know that they changed Joanna to Irina that was not Rodenberry's idea he was not as involved in third season,

Not involved in third season? Roddenberry practically sabotaged it, in protest of NBC putting his show after Laugh-In in the 9/10pm Friday night timeslot.

Don't get me wrong. I revere Roddenberry for creating Trek, but I'm not going to deny what he did. Maybe he wasn't involved in the rewrite of that particular episode.

 

[Elf Witch]

Not involved in third season? Roddenberry practically sabotaged it, in protest of NBC putting his show after Laugh-In in the 9/10pm Friday night timeslot.

Don't get me wrong. I revere Roddenberry for creating Trek, but I'm not going to deny what he did. Maybe he wasn't involved in the rewrite of that particular episode.

He was not involved with the day to day running of the show and with the scripts as he had in first and second show. he was busy developing a new series.

I have no clue about what you are talking about when you say he sabotaged the show can you please explain what you mean.

 

[Silver Moon]

But when they replaced Peter Duel's character in Alias Smith and Jones after his death I could not watch it no matter how good the actor was he was not Hannibal Hayes to me and not to most of the other fans either the ratings plummented.

Wow! I hadn't thought of that show in years. You realize that we're probably the only two on this messageboard who remember that show from when it first aired.

As for the analogy, let's see now, even in the Trek Universe they've have two actors playing Lt. Savvik, two playing Christopher Pike and two playing Zephram Cockrum (plus the TNG Episode "Rascals" if you want to look at older/younger). I haven't heard any fan complaints about any of those.

 

[Vigilance]

Or Captain April.

Well there are rumors that Pike and April will be in the movie. I think Abrams has confirmed the story will be about a young Kirk and Spock (not necessarily at the academy) but won't be a reboot.

Shatner has confirmed that Abrams wants him and Nimoy in the movie as well.

Given that Abrams loves non-linear stories involving flashbacks (you see this on Lost, Alias and in MI:3) I think it's likely that the story will involve both Shatner and the new actor.

 

[Elf Witch]

Wow! I hadn't thought of that show in years. You realize that we're probably the only two on this messageboard who remember that show from when it first aired.

As for the analogy, let's see now, even in the Trek Universe they've have two actors playing Lt. Savvik, two playing Christopher Pike and two playing Zephram Cockrum (plus the TNG Episode "Rascals" if you want to look at older/younger). I haven't heard any fan complaints about any of those.

Alias Smith and Jones is coming out in DVD soon.

I know but again I will say what I have been saying Saviik when she was replaced had been in one Trek movie, Cochran had been in one episode and the actor that replaced Jeffrey Hunter as Pike did nothing but sit in a wheelchair and look burned.

This was a conversation at gaming yesterday and last night at dinner with with some friends. And the opinions seem to be mixed some feel hey as long as they do a good job anything is fine to no they don't want to see a restart of the universe with new TOS stories being told with new actors.


I did notice that the ones who were okay with it were either not old enough ( or even born) to watch TOS when it first came out or were casual trek fans. It seemed to be us old fart diehard trekkies who had the biggest problem with it. ( and yes I know this hardly a scientific study and I am sure that some old fart diehard trekkies are just fine with it )