Stacking magical properties

[gothtaku]

Can you take a standard magic item and give it magical properties from the weapon chart?

Specific Example:

+1 Gauntlets of Ogre Power w/Wounding Property

 

[hong]

You could make +1 gauntlets of wounding (+3 equivalent) and add a +2 enhancement bonus to Str to it. Total cost, by MIC guidelines, would be 3^2*2000 + 2^2*1000 = 22000 gp.

 

[Jhaelen]

Can you take a standard magic item and give it magical properties from the weapon chart?

Specific Example:

+1 Gauntlets of Ogre Power w/Wounding Property

Generally, no you can't. If you're using the item in question as a weapon, though, then it's possible.

In your example the wounding property would only apply if you used the gauntlets as your weapon, not if you're wielding a different weapon.

 

[Gerion of Mercadia]

Presuming the gauntlets in question are +3 equivalent weapons, You can improve magic items without restriction.

What I think you are asking is could you put weapon enhancements and other "glove" features (i.e. +2, +4 or +6 str enhancement gloves) on the same set of gauntlets.

The answer is yes, but as the "glove" enhancment is a "second dissimilar power" you double the cost of the "weaker" (read cheaper) power.

Under DMG:

3^2*2000 + 2(2^2*1000) = 26000 gp.

that makes for +1 wounding gauntlets that award a +2 enhancement to Str.

 

[gothtaku]

Gotcha, thanks.

 

[Infiniti2000]

The answer is yes, but as the "glove" enhancment is a "second dissimilar power" you double the cost of the "weaker" (read cheaper) power.

I don't agree that the answer is yes. The reason is because the 4,000gp for the +2 strength has already been paid. What you are suggesting is that the +3 weapon enhancement cost 22,000gp instead of 18,000gp or that somehow you pay to 'modify' the existing 4,000gp +2 strength enhancement into an 8,000gp +2 enhancement.

Thus, I'd argue you can't do it.

 

[hong]

I don't agree that the answer is yes. The reason is because the 4,000gp for the +2 strength has already been paid. What you are suggesting is that the +3 weapon enhancement cost 22,000gp instead of 18,000gp or that somehow you pay to 'modify' the existing 4,000gp +2 strength enhancement into an 8,000gp +2 enhancement.

Thus, I'd argue you can't do it.

Huh?

 

[Infiniti2000]

Huh?

Two separate questions.

1. Can I make gauntlets that give me +3 weapon enhancement and +2 enhancement bonus to strength? Sure, Gerion of Mercadia provides a possible pricing though he left out the masterwork bonus.

2. Can I add a +3 weapon enhancement to gauntlets of ogre power that have a +2 enhancement bonus to strength? No, because the +2 strength bonus component would cost 8K, not 4K, in such an item, but that cost (4K) has already been paid. Also, the gauntlets are not masterwork so therefore you cannot add weapon enhancements to them.

In my last post, I was arguing the second one. You may be confused because you were arguing the first one.

 

[hong]

2. Can I add a +3 weapon enhancement to gauntlets of ogre power that have a +2 enhancement bonus to strength? No, because the +2 strength bonus component would cost 8K, not 4K, in such an item, but that cost (4K) has already been paid.

So pay the cost of the +3 weapon, plus another 4K. This is like saying you can't add Dex +4 to gauntlets of Str +2, because you've already paid the cost of Str +2. Or use the MIC rules, which get rid of the 4K entirely.

Also, the gauntlets are not masterwork so therefore you cannot add weapon enhancements to them.

Details, details.

 

[Infiniti2000]

So pay the cost of the +3 weapon, plus another 4K.

That's the obvious choice, but it's a different question IMO that merely adding magic to an item. It's more similar to asking, "Can I modify my gauntlets of ogre power +2 strength into gauntlets of dexterity +4 for the cost of 12,000gp?"

This is like saying you can't add Dex +4 to gauntlets of Str +2, because you've already paid the cost of Str +2.

Almost. Is +x to one stat not similar to +y to another? They are certainly more similar than +x to a stat vs. +y to weapon enhancements.