Star Trek United

[jian]

Wouldn't be hard. Just don't raise them in a system that only ever rewards selfishness. Selfishness is not human nature, it's culture. You can tell by looking outside capitalist cultures.

Also, ensure everyone’s material needs are met, make it clear you can’t get any more however loud you shout, and try and meet their emotional and spiritual needs via a society that celebrates difference and helping others. Any @$$holes who still need to dominate others and accumulate power can have it politely suggested to them that they might be happier in frontier colonies, the Badlands, or Cardassia. They’re certainly not getting into Starfleet Academy.

 

[trappedslider]

Wouldn't be hard. Just don't raise them in a system that only ever rewards selfishness. Selfishness is not human nature, it's culture. You can tell by looking outside capitalist cultures.

envy, jealousy, prideful and a number of other emotions that would be detrimental to a utopia

 

[overgeeked]

I thought you were going to say they don't like Star Trek or something along those lines.

Given his politics are diametrically opposed to the heart and soul of Star Trek, it's more than fair to say he hates Star Trek.

 

[overgeeked]

envy, jealousy, prideful and a number of other emotions that would be detrimental to a utopia

Childhood education, say in the K-1 range, in a society that's not zero-sum would more than handle that.

 

[Micah Sweet]

Right?

The West Wing always seemed deeply self-satisfied and bombastic. Now it seems deeply self-satisfied, bombastic, and hopelessly, childishly naïve. Like "should not be allowed out of the house on its own" levels of naïve. Further, it's seemed that way for quite a long time - I don't think it really could talk to the post-2008 financial crash world at all. Because in the world it operated in, that crash could never have happened, let alone been as bad as it was, due to various nigh-infallible, super-smart and good-hearted politicians and their attendants. Even the "evil" or "bad" politicians in the West Wing setting wouldn't have let that happen as badly as it did, and would have direly punished the people who made it happen. But that was shown to be complete fantasy!

It's a very "End of History" kind of show that started airing before "history" came back online, and finished its run before "history" really turned it up to 11.

I think the sort of supercilious attitude it absolutely revelled in would be an extremely poor fit for the extreme earnestness required for a Star Trek show which talked about the politics of the Federation. Also, I'm not sure you'd even be allowed to make a show about a society as extremely socialist, IDIC, and directly anti-capitalist as the Federation simply is, if you focused on the Federation (rather than had it just in the background) so we'd almost certainly see Federation values massively compromised with cheap, nasty 21st century values. I've noted that at times Strange New Worlds briefly forgets itself and treats the Federation as like, New York City In Spaaaaaaaaace, and that's problematic for me. I suspect any show like this would necessarily go that way, which would be no good.


That's the other problem. I like Bakula too, but Archer is easily, no contest, hands-down the worst captain/leader in a Trek show on just about every single level, from simple likeability to actual competence, to sticking to real Federation values. Even bloody MacFarlane's self-indulgent self-played captain on the Orville is a hypercompetent Federation saint next to Archer.

And let's not even start on a crew so bad they make both the Voyager and Discovery crews truly amazing by comparison (again, on every level).

The fault is largely with the showrunners, but that's not reason to go back there.

I don't know. IMO Janeway made a lot of questionable calls...

 

[Ryujin]

Wouldn't be hard. Just don't raise them in a system that only ever rewards selfishness. Selfishness is not human nature, it's culture. You can tell by looking outside capitalist cultures.

That first generation making a conscious choice is a big step, if it happens that quickly. Likely more a multi-generational thing. Or perhaps the final big war with the augments, and the following decimation of society, left people who all needed to cooperate or die.