STAR WARS: The Emperor's Game

[fenzer]

Doc, you did good giving Dartan dark side points. Three seems just about right. You can't deliberately suck people into space and sacrifice others for your own benefit without penalty.

Nonetheless, I love his dark side twinge. I am interested to see were it goes.

 

[Hammerhead]

Doc, you did good giving Dartan dark side points. Three seems just about right. You can't deliberately suck people into space and sacrifice others for your own benefit without penalty.

Isn't that called self-defense?

Apparently Harrison Ford got a bunch of Dark Side points when he pulled the same move in Air Force One. I guess there's a huge moral difference between cutting someone up with a lightsabre and sending them to suffocate and freeze to death in space.

And just for the record, The Evil Baker was a spy and had a shrine to Tharizdun in her basement. The PCs had a letter which identified her as a spy. While Dartan's execution was overly brutal, she also had some skills as a spellcaster if I recall the module information correctly.

 

[Lela]

I remember a certain "innocent" old baker lady in Homlet. The was evil, but innocent none the less...

Yeah, I think the most complicated part of being a Paladin is that Detect Evil at will thing. For both DM and Player. Must be why there's a monthly 10 page debate on the subject over in the General Forum.

 

[fenzer]

Hammerhead, you are right. The moral argument is the same but the jedi code of conduct is what makes this situation different. I doubt, Qui-Gon, Obi-Wan, or even Luke would have done the same thing. It is one thing to tell a victum that he does not need to see your ID and another thing all together to have them sacrifice themselves for your survival - "Get out of the escape pod/space ship so I can get in."

Doc was spot on giving Zybor dark side points.

 

[Neverwinter Knight]

And just for the record, The Evil Baker was a spy and had a shrine to Tharizdun in her basement. The PCs had a letter which identified her as a spy. While Dartan's execution was overly brutal, she also had some skills as a spellcaster if I recall the module information correctly.

I'd have to reread Doc's story, but when I read the module (which was a long time ago) I think it said that she was a spy sent by Iuz to investigate events. If I'm correct on that, she was completly innocent of the events going on in Homlet & surroundings and was executed on the grounds of detect evil alone.

Which I don't really have a problem with...but then, I guess I'm not a paladin

 

[Broccli_Head]

Fenzer is correct. That is what separates a jedi from others. Plus, the GM is the last word on dark side points.

Of course, it makes for a more interesting game, IMO to see a jedi in conflict.

 

[fenzer]

Don't get me wrong. I love the Jedi conflict too. The fact that Doc has these Jedi running around without any real supervision can only bread missuse. The Ghost (or whatever you want to call him) of Obi-Wan can only do so much. And the fact that Doc has decided to keep all this from Luke (for continuities sake) should make things very interesting. Obi-Wan could have his hands full.

As I mentioned earlier, I look forward to the resolution of this potentialy serious issue. So, post already!

 

[Hammerhead]

I doubt, Qui-Gon, Obi-Wan, or even Luke would have done the same thing. It is one thing to tell a victum that he does not need to see your ID and another thing all together to have them sacrifice themselves for your survival - "Get out of the escape pod/space ship so I can get in."

True, I couldn't see any light side Jedi doing the same thing either. However, nor could I see such a situation coming up in a Star Wars movie. What would any of the Jedi do in such a situation...especially if these Imperial officers are your enemies, want you dead, and the only thing between you and escape. If they are unable to persuade these officers to get out of the escape pod, what would they do? Die? Find another one? What if that escape pod was the last one?

 

[Lela]

However, nor could I see such a situation coming up in a Star Wars movie.

A Spaceballs movie, yes.

I do recall Luke, in one of the books, pondering how close affecting the minds of others like that being very close to the dark side. Taking away free will or some such. Forcing them to do something that is likely to cause their death (as opposed to giving up a couple droids or accepting credits a little harder to convert/spend) might certainly be considered over the line.

 

[Salthorae]

question then

What about in RotJ when Luke force grips those two guards at Jaba's palace? Would he be endanger of dark side points? It was a rescue attempt after all....

Had Zybor not made them leave the ship he would have had to slaughter them with the lightsaber...which would have been worse? I can't see a jedi letting themselves be killed to save the life of an enemy officer. Maybe when there was still a whole order left...but if you're one of the last?