STAR WARS: The Emperor's Game

[ledded]

What about in RotJ when Luke force grips those two guards at Jaba's palace? Would he be endanger of dark side points? It was a rescue attempt after all....

Actually, in an example given in an aritcle either on WotC webstie or Star Wars Gamer magazine, the game designers used that instance in precisely how good jedi can accumulate dark side points, leaving no doubt that he did receive them. And those weren't his only ones, as in the continuing fiction he often struggled with falling to the dark side.

Darn emotional teenagers... they get half grown up, get moody, and start wearing all black and complaining that no one let's 'em do what they want.

Had Zybor not made them leave the ship he would have had to slaughter them with the lightsaber...which would have been worse? I can't see a jedi letting themselves be killed to save the life of an enemy officer. Maybe when there was still a whole order left...but if you're one of the last?

Well, I dont know exactly all the conditions or anything like that, but he did fend them off for a little bit while they were shooting at him, correct? He asked for surrender/told them they were under arrest. They shot at him, and he had really no choice but to eliminate the threat or be killed, correct? Diplomacy is a bit hard when blaster bolts are already flying, right?

So should he get the DSP? Well, it's GM's call, but I would probably say yes if his tone is played anything like the story made it sound. The ends do not always justify the means. It sounded like he had no compunction whatsoever about killing those officers in a ruthless manner, so I say DSP. Heck, it aint the end of the world or anything.

The problem with role-playing a jedi is that the class is a class of extremes, supposedly because of their closeness or sensitivity to the force or whatever. So a "good" jedi is usually very good, a "bad" one very bad. There are several in the movies and the books that walk the grey areas, but do so with great difficulty. Zybor sounds like he is going to end up being one of those. But for what it's worth, I would have done the same thing he did with any star wars character.

 

[Lela]

Which ones, in the movies, walked the gray area?

 

[Hammerhead]

Anakin does, at least in Episode 2. He gives in to his emotions of love for Padme, and he also avenges his mother's death and wipes out a murderous clan of sand people.

 

[fenzer]

Ya, it's tough to call but fun to speculate.

So let's take it a step futher. Is Zybor following the Living Force or the Unifying Force. If he is following the Living Force, mind on the here and now, focus on the task at hand is paramount (ie: escape) and any rationalization for his action may be more readily acceptable. While the Unifying Force would make him look at the whole picture and the long term effects of the task at hand (capture/destruction of SSD and possible reprecussions for the rebellion) making it more difficult to justify his rash, questionable behavior in the moment.

Whatever the case and however Doc pulls this off, it's a fun read and I want more.

 

[Neverwinter Knight]

Maybe when there was still a whole order left...but if you're one of the last?

It just shows how easy it is for the Dark Side to seduce Jedi when they're without guidance. This Jedi has been on his own since he was unfrozen, except for T'ek Nova, who turned to the dark side in front of his eyes. Surely in an extreme moment such as the escape from the exploding ICS, he would be more prone to having his emotions take over.

 

[Morte]

{edit: decided against ranting about alignment}

 

[ledded]

Which ones, in the movies, walked the gray area?

Well, Obi-Wan was a known liar and deceiver who associated with all manner of ne'er-do-wells. He was indirectly chastised by Yoda himself for his arrogance and impudence. His defiance of the judgement of the council in training Anakin may have directly contributed to the deaths of millions, all in order to serve his pride/honor. Doesnt make him a bad guy however; though it does make me like him more . He's the closest thing to a 'lovable rogue' that we're gonna get in Episode I - III.

Anakin, well, he struggled with all kinds of bad issues in episode II but the whole genocidal rampage thing IMO put him right over the edge. Revenge, hate, anger... so bad that Yoda could feel his destructive emotion.

And Luke... overconfidence, arrogance, fear... he was full of all of them. He nearly gave into his rage at the end. He strangled those gaurds in Jabba's palace with the force when he may have just as easily used a mind trick to subdue them.

They all may have had good reasons, and Jedi certainly are not D&D paladins, but any of these acts, performed for imperfect reasons, could invite the dark side. Some more than others, but definitely. Actually, IMO very few of the Jedi ever shown on the screen for more than a little bit were 'perfect' Jedi, and I'd rather they be that way than not.

 

[Dr Midnight]

Crap. I posted on the DSP subject yesterday, and apparently the boards ate my post.

Dartan’s a tough one. He’s not really great with understanding codes of honor… in real life, he’s not a bad seed or anything. He just feels the ends justify the means, when it comes to gaming. It’s something I’m going to have to work on with him if we play SW again.

Anyway, Zybor did NOT get DSPs for sucking the officers out of the ship into space. That would be a case of self-defense… If you’re being attacked, end the conflict as soon as possible, killing your opposition if you need to. He needed to, and time was critical, so he did it in one swoop, and it was pretty cool.

What Zybor DID do, darkly, was Force-pushing dozens of people out of his way, using the Force to get people off the ship so he could live, and using fear to control the officers (like Obi-Wan did to Jar Jar in Ep1- I’d have given Obi-Wan a DSP for that).

It doesn’t look like Zybor will be in the group anymore, though, so no worries. No word yet on the new players and what they want to play.

And, hey, if you think the chapter is done, you’re very wrong. We still have a fantastic escape and action scene coming up… when I get the time to write it. Maybe after the weekend?

Anyway, there’s lots MORE TO COME… and I just want to say it’s great having a story hour again. I missed you guys.

 

[Broccli_Head]

Yes! More story.

The cool thing..now that Zybor's not playing, he could become a villian NPC.

 

[Neverwinter Knight]

Yes! More story.

The cool thing..now that Zybor's not playing, he could become a villian NPC.

not another PC turned Dark Jedi