Stats for the Circle of Eight?

[Alaric_Prympax]

Thanks, I needed that. Or in another thread TINT.

 

[Ripzerai]

Check out Duicarthan's Greyhawk NPC Archive. It's got all of them. Fan-interpreted, of course. Keep scrolling down...

Though personally, I think Bigby ought to be an Argent Savant.

 

[Cthulhudrew]

He's got Valerius there, but no Grimslade, Saren, or even clutzy Indel.

 

[Duicarthan]

NPC Stats

Actually most of those NPC's on that page are my conjectures as to where they could go, I started them before Complete Arcane even hit the shelves so theres a lot more that could be done now.
However, my Encyclopedias have all the basics you'd need to see what level an NPC would be in the World of Greyhawk.

Also I do wish, I could work on those more and do everyone, but hey theres only so much time in the day. However, if anyone wishes to flesh out an NPC from the World of Greyhawk, I am now the Editor-in-Chief of the Oerth Journal and I am always accepting submissions on our Rogue's Gallery part of the e-zine. I can be contacted at oerthjournal (at) gmail (d0t) com.

Cheerz,

Rick "Duicarthan" Miller

 

[Cthulhudrew]

I was reading over that Circle of Eight handout yesterday (can't remember what I did with mine, but it's been ages since I've looked at it). I'm actually kind of surprised at some of the choices of classes for the characters (ie, no PrCs, etc.). In particular, it seems Theodain Eriason should have some levels of fighter, since his history explicitly states that he was a warrior before he studied magic. Alhamazad seems like he could be some kind of specialist, too.

 

[Ripzerai]

Alhamazad seems like he could be some kind of specialist, too.

In 2nd edition, Alhamazad was a sorcerer (the Al-Qadim character class that specialized in two elemental provinces). The Wu Jen might be a good approximation.

 

[Cthulhudrew]

In 2nd edition, Alhamazad was a sorcerer (the Al-Qadim character class that specialized in two elemental provinces). The Wu Jen might be a good approximation.

That's not a bad idea- have to give it a different name. What elements did he specialize in, btw? I presume earth and fire, but maybe it's air instead (he does have a genie connection). Also, what product did he first appear in?

On another note, at least one of the NPCs in the LGJ #0 doesn't quite work as is. Otto, a 15th level wizard, only has a 17 Intelligence as written, which means not only can he not cast the 8th level spells he should be able to, but he can't even have penned his famous Otto's Irresistible Dance spell.

In Vecna Lives! he's got a 7 Dex, 17 Int, and 16 Cha. The LGJ version has a 10 Dex and a 17 Cha- presumably he spent his bonus points, then, on raising Dex and Cha. I'd suggest lowering the Cha back down to 16 and raising his Int to 18. (Then again, I'd probably keep his Dex at 7 anyway- his physical description seems to lend itself well to a low Dex).

 

[Ripzerai]

Also, what product did he first appear in?

I think he only appeared, and was statted, in Return of the Eight.

 

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Apparently the Circle of Eight from Gygax's home campaign varied to TSR's. I don't know if anyone has ever statted these up for 3E though . . .

 

[grodog]

Apparently the Circle of Eight from Gygax's home campaign varied to TSR's. I don't know if anyone has ever statted these up for 3E though . . .

So far as I know, there hasn't been sufficient info released to stat up the original Citadel of Eight (EGG's personal PC precursors to the published Circle of Eight):

• Mordenkainen - MU of level 20+ (stats from Rogues Gallery and WG5 were not the real stats for Mordy)
• Bigby - Mordy's old apprentice, charmed in Castle El Raja Key, level 20+ (Mordy -2 or 3 or so?; ditto on RG/WG5 comment)
• Yrag - human fighter (ditto on WG5 comment)
• Riggby - human cleric (ditto on WG5 comment)
• Felnorith - human fighter, generally mentioned as "Lord Felnorith" so he should be at least level 9+
• Siggby - no info extant that I know of
• Diggby (a dwarf) - ditto
• Vram and Vin - twin elven Fighter/MUs

Gygax's "Up on a Soapbox" in Dragon 318 (April 2004) provides the following notes about each:

* Gygax describes his various PCs, in order of creation:
o Yrag, the fighter
o Mordenkainen, the MU
o Felnorith, the fighter sidekick to Yrag
o Elven twins, Vram and Vin, fighter/MUs to accompany Mordenkainen
o Mordy charms Bigby when Bigby is a 3rd level MU, which starts Rob's -igby naming trend for Gary's henchmen ;-)
+ Zigby the dwarf
+ Rigby the cleric
+ Sigby Griggbyson, a fighter
+ Bigby's apprentice, Nigby
+ Digby, Mordenkainen's new apprentice
o Gygax broke Kuntz's spell by hiring Hughie, Dewey, and Louie as three new low-level MU apprentices =)