Stupid Question about Bardic Music

xen_xheng said:
All bardic abilities must have some sound, so dance or mimic do not qualify;
Yes pretty much - it is not just any performance that counts for this.

Bardic Music: Once per day per bard level, a bard can use his song or poetics to produce magical effects on those around him (usually including himself, if desired). While these abilities fall under the category of bardic music and the descriptions discuss singing or playing instruments, they can all be activated by reciting poetry, chanting, singing lyrical songs, singing melodies, whistling, playing an instrument, or playing an instrument in combination with some spoken performance. Each ability requires both a minimum bard level and a minimum number of ranks in the Perform skill to qualify; if a bard does not have the required number of ranks in at least one Perform skill, he does not gain the bardic music ability until he acquires the needed ranks.

But on the other hand, it also doesn't require a skill check only level and ranks in perform.
 

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irdeggman said:
Yes pretty much - it is not just any performance that counts for this.



But on the other hand, it also doesn't require a skill check only level and ranks in perform.
Actually, some bardic music abilities do require skill checks. For instance, countersong uses the perform check result to replace the saving throw of allies, if it's higher. Lots of ranks (and a masterwork instrument) can greatly increase the effectiveness of this power.
 

Christian said:
Actually, some bardic music abilities do require skill checks. For instance, countersong uses the perform check result to replace the saving throw of allies, if it's higher. Lots of ranks (and a masterwork instrument) can greatly increase the effectiveness of this power.

The Virtuoso uses the Perform skill result as a DC for spellcasters to succeed on a Concentration check to be able to cast.
 

Christian said:
Actually, some bardic music abilities do require skill checks. For instance, countersong uses the perform check result to replace the saving throw of allies, if it's higher. Lots of ranks (and a masterwork instrument) can greatly increase the effectiveness of this power.

And the fascinate abiliity but the inspire chain doesn't.

Still a good idea to have lots of ranks and modifiers in perform, IMO.
 

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