Styles issues

Morrus said:
The styles can't cause slowdowns - they're just colours. A black page isn't quicker to load than a white one or a purple one.

Well, the styles may not cause a slowdown of the server. But perhaps part of what's being observed is client-side? What everyone calls "downloading the page" is actually downloading and rendering for display. Might not the new page take an extra moment or two to render?
 
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Michael_Morris said:
What really gets under my skin are direct attacks I've received in private email over this linked directly to folks who combine a hatred for change with severe ignorance on how servers work.

Mike, no offense, but your general attitude about this whole thing is getting under my skin, and--I'd imagine from all those e-mails--under the skin of other people as well.

Let me bring you up to speed: over the past two years, there have been at least three major "changes." Changes of software, changes of servers, changes of administrators. Some of those changes undoubtedly worked out for the better. But without variation, those changes have meant two things: slowdowns and outages.

Now those same slowdowns and outages are happening again, except this time it's because of (or a corollary to, or coincidentally happening at the same time as...I'm one one of those Server Eejits you mentioned) cosmetic changes. Not critical or necessary, but cosmetic.

People who are, say, seeking gamers for their next get-together, or desperately need to know how a rule works right now, or need some feedback on how to handle a problem player, or are organizing a Game Day, or playing by post, or reading story hours, or a hundred other things that go on in here, don't want to wait a couple extra days becuase because somebody out there thinks EN World can't go on without drop-down menus and a host of color schemes. Some people take the utilitarian view that the boards' basic functionality is more important than their appearance.

So please keep that in mind before you lash out with that acerbic keyboard of yours. People are going to get uppity when you mess with their functionality, and telling them to upgrade or calling them eejits isn't going to help that, at all. If you're going to pursue this course, you need to test it before you implement it.

The boards are like molasses today, for me, and I'm running IE6 on a Pentium 4 with a cable modem. :D I don't think the problem is on my end.
 


My connection to ENworld has been unusably slow today on very modern hardware and with a huge connection to the internet (writing from work :))

Interestingly enough after I'd spent 10 minutes (click on user CP, click on options, click on "ENworld Classic" rather than "Default") and suddenly the site is responding at normal speed again.

This is after the additional styles are turned off (and I wasn't seeing dropdowns at the top of each page either, so I guess they had been removed) but the unavoidable conclusion is that there is something in the coding for the current "default" style which is causing the server a lot more problems than the coding for the "ENworld Classic" style.

If you'd like another pair of eyes to look over some code I'd be happy for you to email to me the relevant files.

Cheers
 

Michael_Morris said:
640x800 is an incredibly RARE resolution choice these days, mayber 1 in 200 browsers, maybe.
not 640x480 or 800x600? A 640x800 screen is taller than it is wide...

Oh, and MM, it might be worth the effort to remove the changes you've made, just as an experiment, to see if server performance increases. Even if there's no logical reason for it to make a difference, well, I've seen computers defy logic on many an occasion.

And if people are getting uppity, remember that to many this place ain't just a message board.... it's the only thing keeping them sane at the office. Like any addict, if something is messin' with their supply, they start getting violent. Well, as violent as you can get through email.
 

Download.com 36.3 kbps

Classic: probably somewhere between 1-2 minutes.

And no I'm NOT going to try the default one. :(

It's pretty apparent that it's not my machine; other message boards are flying for me. WOTC, the Bolter and the chainsword, and a few others.
 

Brother Shatterstone said:
Download.com 36.3 kbps

Classic: probably somewhere between 1-2 minutes.

And no I'm NOT going to try the default one. :(

It's pretty apparent that it's not my machine; other message boards are flying for me. WOTC, the Bolter and the chainsword, and a few others.

Well for one, WotC is using the exact same damn script I am, so if this slowdown was my fault you'd observe the same slowdown on their board.

The fact is that two days before I went ahead and worked on these switches a slowdown was being caused by something. Fact is I should have waited to see what that problem was and get it resolved before adding another variable to the mix.

They've been down since this morning. You folks have been complaining all this morning about a slowdown but guess what folks...

IT AIN'T ME THIS TIME

So get the crap off my back.
 

MerakSpielman said:
And if people are getting uppity, remember that to many this place ain't just a message board.... it's the only thing keeping them sane at the office. Like any addict, if something is messin' with their supply, they start getting violent.

Addicted? Hardly, just cause I'm emailing everyone that's in my pbp games instructions on how to change their style doesn't mean anything...


*Sigh* The 4-day weekend in the states was bad enough... :mad:
 

Michael, people reporting slow response time - and I'm experiencing that as well - is NOT a personal attack on you. It's not a reflection on the impressive work you've been doing, and I don't think the hostility is warranted or appropriate.

Folks, our apologies for the slow performance. We've had some trouble with a corrupted database, although that's not the only issue. As soon as we know and have it fixed, we'll let YOU know.
 

WoTC is working fine for me... :) and please don't raise your CAPS key at me...

And the slowness for me has been since Thursday, but it’s been worse since you adjusted the "floating" drop down window.

Edited: cause I'm a nice guy... :rolleyes:
 
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