Summon Creature Range

[StreamOfTheSky]

I always imagined summoning like a dream...except if you die in a dream you supposedly die for real.... Anyway, what i mean is, you might "experience" pain and it all seems incredibly real at the time, but it turns out to have been a false sensation afterwards.

It is a thorny issue, but by RAW there shouldn't be much moral debate. No harm is done. I understand a lot of people having a problem with that, though.

 

[aboyd]

Any claims that it doesn't die circumvent the issue; you're still making a choice to have someone else feel pain in place of you suffering. If you can see a reason for you to not want get hit by a trap, any summoned creature is going to have the same desire, and you're disregarding that for your own sake.

And this is a problem?

 

[DarkelvenSFi]

And this is a problem?

hehe, for me, I guess it is

But as has been said, it's up to the DMs discretion; and then the players who follow those rules.

 

[Theroc]

Druid's Nature's Ally was a Calling Effect I thought... meaning the wolves that get caught in the traps are actually hurt.

 

[Theo R Cwithin]

I thought Summon Nature's Ally was a Calling effect, too, but apparently by RAW it's actually a Summoning.

So I guess the wolves or whatever the druid calls aren't really killed.

Though that begs the question: just where do they come from?

 

[amethal]

Being swallowed by a dragon is a traumatic experience for a unicorn, even if it is only a summoned version.

Imagine if you get the same unicorn every time, which gets swallowed, clawed to pieces, zapped by lightning bolts etc etc. It will be a nervous wreck by the end of the week.

There's nothing to say summoning spells work that way, but nothing much to say they don't either. As a DM, I prefer the option that has the best role-playing potential.

 

[Ogrork the Mighty]

This was addressed back in the day by WotC when people starting summoning whales and dropping them on enemies.

In short, no, you can't do it.

 

[DarkelvenSFi]

I still remember things like the 'cow cannon'.

Push a cow through a dimensional door which moves them several thousand meters up in the air. The poor cow drops (probably thinking, 'not again'). As it hurtles towards the earth, another portal is ready and waiting.

This portal catches the cow and changes its orientation; propelling it horisonally towards your enemy.

 

[Theroc]

I still remember things like the 'cow cannon'.

Push a cow through a dimensional door which moves them several thousand meters up in the air. The poor cow drops (probably thinking, 'not again'). As it hurtles towards the earth, another portal is ready and waiting.

This portal catches the cow and changes its orientation; propelling it horisonally towards your enemy.

So, you used Dimension Door sorta like the Orange Box's game "Portal"... to fire a cow like a cannon.

That's awesome... er... hilarious... as whacked out as it is. Ingenius, if a mite cheesy.

 

[frankthedm]

This was addressed back in the day by WotC when people starting summoning whales and dropping them on enemies.

In short, no, you can't do it.

i must confess guilt in doing this myself in early 3e. I had a wizard PC who would use the mount spell to drop a horse on foes. Roof wrecker, falling weight, monster bait, trap detector and other exceedingly cruel applications of the mount spell had the DM at the time name the mount summoned 'Agony'.

Though in 3.0 lower level "summon dead weight" abuses were often not that effective since they took a whole round to drop in and you had to chose when you STARTED to cast, where the ball would drop. Since you choose where summons show up AFTER the spell is complete in 3.5, body drop abuses would be notably stronger in the revised edition.