Summon Monster - New List (long)

[drnuncheon]

Re: Re: "Less evil monsters"??? Um, no.

Well, the CR for a Rakshasa (CR 9) is quite low for a level 9 spell compared to a (perhaps flying, reaching) Elder Elemental or even a flying Astral Deva...

In a fit of fundamental geekery, a friend pointed out to me that rakshasas could not be summoned by anything lower than SMIX - because they are completely immune to spells of lower than 9th level.

J

 

[green slime]

Well, without having taken into consideration any of the above, here is my unedited, only half-tested, complete list of summoning monsters for you guys

Any and all comments would be appreciated:

Summoning Monster I
~CR Monster Source
0.5 Baboon, template MM 193
0.5 Badger, template MM 193
0.1 Bat, template MM 193
0.3 Dire Rat, template MM 57
0.3 Dog, template MM 195
0.3 Hawk, template MM 197
0.2 Monkey, template MM 198
0.25 Owl, template MM 199
0.25 Raven, template MM 201
0.25 Scorpion, Tiny (Vermin), template* MM 209
0.25 Spider, Hunting (Tiny Vermin), template* MM 209
0.25 Spider, Web (Tiny Vermin), template* MM 209
0.3 Spitting Crawler Lizard (Lizard) FRCS 308
0.5 Aasimar (Planetouched) MM
0.5 Tiefling (Planetouched) MM
0.5 Genasi (Planetouched) MoF
0.25 Viper (Tiny Snake), template* MM 200
0.25 Weasel, template MM 203

Summoning Monster II
~CR Monster Source
0.5 Animated Object (Tiny), template MM 17
0.5 Bee, Giant (Vermin), template* MM 206
1 Bladeling MM2 31
1 Chaond (Planetouched) MM2 169
1 Dog (Riding), template MM 196
0.5 Eagle, template MM 196
1 Ether Scarab MM2 94
1 Flind, Fiendish ToH 138
0.5 Formorian worker MM 90
1 Githyanki MotP 174
1 Githzerai MotP 176
1 Gnoll, Fiendish MM
1 Horse (Heavy), template MM 197
1 Horse (Light), template MM 197
1 Kython Broodling BoVD
1 Lemure (Devil) MM 48
1 Mane (Demon) BoVD
1 Nupperibo (Devil) ToH
1 Octopus, template MM 199
0.5 Scorpion (Small Vermin), template* MM 209
1 Shark (medium-sized), template MM 200
0.5 Spider (Small Vermin), template* MM 210
1 Squid, template MM 200
0.5 Viper (Small Snake), template* MM 200
1 Warrior (1st level), template MM
1 Wolf, template MM 204
1 Zenythri (Planetouched) MM2 169

Summoning Monster III
~CR Monster Source
2 Abyssal Maw (Demon) MM2 56
2 Abyssal Skulker (Demon) MM2 56
1 Animated Object (Small), template MM 17
2 Azer MM 22
2 Bison, template MM 194
2 Black Bear, template MM 193
2 Boar, template MM 194
2 Cheetah, template MM 195
2 Constrictor (Snake), template MM 200
2 Crocodile, template MM 195
2 Dire Badger, template MM 56
2 Dire Bat, template MM 57
2 Dire Weasel, template MM 56
2 Dretch (Demon) MM 41
1 Air Elemental (Small) MM 81
1 Earth Elemental (Small) MM 81
1 Fire Elemental (Small) MM 81
1 Water Elemental (Small) MM 81
2 Fey’ri (Planetouched) MoF
2 Gorilla aka Ape, template MM 193
2 Imp (Devil) MM 48
2 Leopard, template MM 197
2 Lizard (Giant), template MM 198
1 Paraelemental (Small) MotP 181
2 Psionic Elemental (Small) ToH
2 Salamandar (Small) MM 159
1 Scorpion (Medium-Size Vermin), template* MM 209
2 Shark (Large), template MM 200
1 Spider (Medium-Size Vermin), template* MM 210
2 Stone Spike MM2 191
2 Tanarukk (Planetouched) MoF
2 Thoqqua MM 175
1 Two-Headed Adder (Snake), template* FRCS 309
1 Viper (Medium-size Snake), template* MM 200
2 Wolverine, template MM 204

Summoning Monster IV
~CR Monster Source
3 Advespa (Devil) MM2
3 Animated Object (Large), template MM 17
3 Arrowhawk (Small) MM 19
3 Crysmal PsH 146
3 Dire Ape, template MM 57
3 Dire Wolf, template MM 204
3 Dusk Beast (Ephemera) MotP 170
3 Fire Bat (Elemental) MM2 102
3 Formorian Warrior MM 90
3 Hell hound MM 118
2 Hippogriff, template MM 118
3 Howler MM 121
3 Ice Serpent MoF
3 Kython Juvenile BoVD
2 Lantern Archon (Celestial) MM 29
3 Lion, template MM 198
3 Pack Lizard (Lizard), template FRCS 308
3 Magmin MM 130
3 Mephit (any) MM 132
3 Monstrous Crab, template ToH
3 Pegasus, Celestial MM 148
3 Quasi-Elemental, (Small) ToH
3 Rutterkin (Demon) BoVD
2 Scorpion (Large Vermin), template* MM 209
2 Spider (Large Vermin), template* MM 210
3 Tojanida (Small) MM 177
4 Triton MM 178
2 Vargouille MM 182
2 Viper (Large Snake), template* MM 200
3 Warrior (3rd level), template MM
3 Wasp (Giant Vermin), template* MM 207
2 Winged Viper (Snake), template* FRCS 309
3 Xorn (Small) MM 187
3 Yeth Hound MM 188

Summoning Monster V
~CR Monster Source
5 Abishai, Black MoF
5 Abishai, White MoF
5 Abyssal Ravager (Demon) MM2 57
5 Achaierai MM 15
5 Alu-Demon (Demon) ToH
6 Animated Object (Huge), template MM 17
5 Arrowhawk (Medium-size) MM 19
5 Bar Igura (Demon) BoVD
4 Barghest (Lesser) MM 22
5 Boring Beetle, (Vermin) template* ToH
5 Brown Bear, template MM 193
3 Cervidal (Celestial) MM2
5 Crocodile (Giant), template MM 195
5 Dire Boar, template MM 194
5 Dire Wolverine, template MM 57
5 Draegloth (Half-fiend) MoF
5 Durzagon (Half-fiend) MM2
3 Elemental (Medium-size) MM 81
5 Gray Ooze (Ooze), Anarchic MM 145
5 Griffon, template MM 113
4 Hound Archon (Celestial) MM 29
5 Jovoc (Demon) MM2 58
5 Kython Adult BoVD
6 Manticore, Fiendish MM 130
5 Marrash MM2 145
5 Minotaur, Fiendish MM 137
5 Monstrous Crayfish, template ToH
4 Myrlochar MoF
5 Nightmare MM 140
5 Owlbear, Fiendish MM 148
3 Paraelemental (Medium-size) MotP 181
4 Psionic Elemental (Medium) ToH
3 Quasit (Demon) MM 153
5 Rast MM 154
5 Ravid MM 154
5 Rhinocerous, template MM 200
5 Salamandar (Medium-size) MM 159
3 Scorpion (Huge Vermin), template* MM 209
5 Sea Lion, template MM 160
5 Shadow Mastiff MM 162
4 Shark (Huge), template MM 200
3 Spider (Huge Vermin), template* MM 210
4 Spinagon (Devil) MotP 167
5 Sylph MM2 192
5 Tiger, template MM 203
5 Tojanida (Medium-size) MM 177
3 Unicorn, Celestial MM 181
3 Viper (Huge Snake), template* MM 200
4 Xag-Ya (Energon) [note: not controllable] MP 169
5 Xeg-Yi (Energon) [note: not controllable] MP 169

Summoning Monster VI
~CR Monster Source
7 Abishai, Blue MoF
6 Abishai, Green MoF
7 Amnizu (Devil) MM2
7 Armanite (Demon) MotP 164
7 Babau (Demon) BoVD
7 Baleen Whale (Whale), template MM 204
7 Barbazu (Devil) MM 48
5 Barghest (Greater) MM 22
6 Belker MM 26
7 Bezekira, aka HellCat (Devil) MM 48
7 Breathdrinker MM2
6 Canoloth (Yugoloth) MP 187
7 Chaos Beast MM 34
6 Constrictor (Giant Snake), template MM 200
8 Dao (Genie) MotP 173
6 Dire Lion, template MM 57
6 Dragonfly, Giant (Vermin), template* ToH
5 Djinni (Genie) MM 94
5 Elemental (Large) MM 81
7 Erinyes (Devil) MM 48
7 Formorian Taskmaster MM 90
6 Girallon, template MM 104
7 Invisible Stalker MM 123
4 Janni (Genie) MM 94
6 Kocrachon (Devil) BoVD
6 Kyton MM 48
7 Lillend MM 128
5 Lupinal (Celestial) MM2 43
5 Mercane MotP 179
6 Minion of Set D&Dg
6 Nishruu MoF
6 Ochre Jelly (Ooze), Anarchic MM 145
6 Orca (Whale), template MM 203
5 Paraelemental (Large) MP 181
6 Psionic Elemental (Large) ToH
6 Quasi-Elemental, (Medium) ToH
6 Shadow Demon (Demon) ToH
7 Slaad (Red) MM 166
6 Slicer Beetle, (Vermin) template* ToH
6 Uridezu (Demon) MP 164
6 Xill MM 187
6 Xorn (Medium-size) MM 187

Summoning Monster VII
~CR Monster Source
8 Abishai, Red MoF
8 Animated Object (Gargantuan), template MM 17
8 Arrowhawk (Large) MM 197
9 Avoral Guardian (Celestial) MM 29
9 Bebilith (Demon) MM 41
8 Black Pudding (Ooze), Anarchic MM 145
8 Bulette, template MM 28
8 Cachalot Whale (Whale), template MM 204
8 Deathwatch Beetle, (Vermin) template* ToH
8 Dire Bear, template MM 58
9 Dragon Horse ToH
9 Dune Stalker MM2
9 Ecalypse (Ephemera) MotP 170
8 Efreeti (Genie) MM 95
7 Elemental (Huge) MM 81
9 Galeb Duhr MM2
9 Gharros (Demon) ToH
8 Glimmerskin MM2
8 Hamatula (Devil) MM 49
8 Hydrodaemon ToH
9 Immoth MM2
8 Kython Impaler BoVD
9 Malebranche (Devil) MM2
9 Marid (Genie) MotP 173
9 Maurezhi (Demon) CotSQ117
8 Megaraptor (Dinosaur), template MM 55
7 Mezzoloth (Yugoloth) MP 187
9 Nabasu, Lesser (Demon) ToH
9 Narzugon (Devil) MotP 167
8 Nerizo, Demon ToH
9 Night Hag MM 140
6 Osyluth (Devil) MM 48
8 Palrethee (Demon) MM2
7 Paraelemental (Huge) MP 181
8 Psionic Elemental (Huge) ToH
9 Quasi-Elemental, (Large) ToH
9 Rakshasa MM 153
8 Rhinoceros Beetle, (Vermin) template* ToH
9 Salamandar (Large) MM 159
8 Shadow Demon (Demon) BoVD
8 Slaad (Blue) MM 166
8 Slaad (Green) MM 166
9 Succubus (Demon) MM 41
8 Time Elemental, Common ToH
9 Tojanida (Large) MM 177
9 Tormentor of Souls (Devil) ToH
9 Treant, Celestial MM 178
9 Treant, Fiendish MM 178
9 Treant, Shadow MM 178
9 Vaporighu MM2
8 Xorn (Large) MM 187
5 Yochlol (Demon) MoF
9 Zovvut (Demon) MM2

Summoning Monster VIII
~CR Monster Source
10 Aerial Servant ToH
10 Aeshima (Demon) ToH
11 Androsphinx (Sphinx), Celestial MM 170
10 Chasme (Demon) BoVD
10 Cornugon (Devil) MM 49
10 Couatl MM 38
11 Daraka Demon ToH
10 Derghodaemon ToH
10 Dire Tiger, template MM 58
10 Elephant, template MM 197
9 Elemental (Greater) MM 81
10 Firre Eladrin (Celestial) MotP 162
10 Formian, Myrmarch MM
11 Kython Slaymaster BoVD
10 Marraenoloth (Yugoloth) MM2
11 Megalodon, template MM2 147
10 Mooncalf MM2
10 Movanic Deva (Celestial) ToH
11 Nabasu, Greater (Demon) ToH
10 Octopus (Giant), template MM 199
9 Paraelemental (Greater) MotP 181
11 Piscodaemon ToH
10 Psionic Elemental (Greater) ToH
10 Slaad (Gray) MM
11 Squid (Giant), template MM 200
11 Stirge Demon ToH
9 Triceratops (Dinosaur), template MM 55
10 Tyrannosaurus (Dinosaur), template MM 55
10 Yagnoloth (Yugoloth) MM2
9 Zelekhut (Inevitable) MotP 173

Summoning Monster IX
~CR Monster Source
12 Animated Object (Colossal), template MM 17
14 Astral Deva (Celestial) MM 30
14 Blood Fiend (Demon) CotSQ116
13 Cacodaemon ToH
14 Cerebrilith (Demon) PsH 145
13 Charonadaemon ToH
11 Elemental (Elder) MM 81
12 Ethereal Slayer MM2
13 Gelugon (Devil) MM 49
13 Ghaele Eladrin (Celestial) MM 30
12 Ghour (Demon) MoF
13 Goristro (Demon) MotP 164
13 Jarilith (Demon) MM2
12 Kolyarut MotP 177
8 Lammasu MM 127
12 Leonal Guardinal (Celestial) MotP 162
13 Kython Slaughterking BoVD
12 Monadic Deva (Celestial) ToH
13 Nycaloth (Yugoloth) MotP 187
11 Paraelemental (Elder) MotP 181
12 Psionic Elemental (Elder) ToH
11 Roc, template MM 156
14 Rukarazyll MM2 181
11 Scorpion (Gargantuan Vermin), template* MM 209
13 Slaad, Death MM
11 Spider (Gargantuan Vermin), template* MM 210
13 Tarry Demodand ToH
14 Time Elemental, Noble ToH
13 Vrock (Demon) MM 41

(ARGH! Tabs aren't showing... anyone know how to do that?)

A few comments:
Templates: We allow the application of Celestial, Fiendish, Anarchaic, and Axiomatic templates. Those marked with (*) can not use the Celestial template.

I am also very tempted to allow the "ordinary" Elementals at a lower level than at present, to maintain more CR-equality across the table.

Thirdly, I'm not in the camp that thinks that flying should automatically be relagated to a higher spell, while water creatures are lowered a spell level (well, almost). This philosophy becomes wierd IMO... The power of the spell should remain somewhat constant regardless of the environment you are in, or am I mistaken?

 

[Olive]

Summoning Monster I
~CR Monster Source
12 Animated Object (Colossal), template MM 17
14 Astral Deva (Celestial) MM 30
14 Blood Fiend (Demon) CotSQ116
13 Cacodaemon ToH
14 Cerebrilith (Demon) PsH 145
13 Charonadaemon ToH
11 Elemental (Elder) MM 81
12 Ethereal Slayer MM2
13 Gelugon (Devil) MM 49
13 Ghaele Eladrin (Celestial) MM 30
12 Ghour (Demon) MoF
13 Goristro (Demon) MotP 164
13 Jarilith (Demon) MM2
12 Kolyarut MotP 177
8 Lammasu MM 127
12 Leonal Guardinal (Celestial) MotP 162
13 Kython Slaughterking BoVD
12 Monadic Deva (Celestial) ToH
13 Nycaloth (Yugoloth) MotP 187
11 Paraelemental (Elder) MotP 181
12 Psionic Elemental (Elder) ToH
11 Roc, template MM 156
14 Rukarazyll MM2 181
11 Scorpion (Gargantuan Vermin), template* MM 209
13 Slaad, Death MM
11 Spider (Gargantuan Vermin), template* MM 210
13 Tarry Demodand ToH
14 Time Elemental, Noble ToH
13 Vrock (Demon) MM 41

Now THAT'S a first level spell...

 

[green slime]

Now THAT'S a first level spell...

heh heh...

Well, we can all make copy paste boo-boos...

Or call it wishful thinking

 

[Olive]

just teasing you... you might want to take note of the note before which pointed out that rakshakas can't be effected by anything less than a 9th lvl spell... so no SM7 for them!

 

[green slime]

just teasing you... you might want to take note of the note before which pointed out that rakshakas can't be effected by anything less than a 9th lvl spell... so no SM7 for them!

Its OK, But I had only just posted the thing! You read it fast!

Yes I saw the note, but I had already copied the original for pasting and thought it not wise to start changing the list prior to getting more feedback. This means that Rakshakas will probably be removed entirely from my list, as I can't really see a 17th level spell caster using a 9th level spell to get one, when there are so many other interesting monsters available.

*spare thought*
What about having them on the SM VII list purely to call 1d4+1 of them with a SM IX, otherwise, they can't be called at all!
*Just a thought I had...*

 

[Olive]

*spare thought*
What about having them on the SM VII list purely to call 1d4+1 of them with a SM IX, otherwise, they can't be called at all!
*Just a thought I had...*

good thought... but making sure that the caster realises what they're doing.

 

[Cyraneth]

Looks good, Dark... Though, I usually customize the list for each character, based on their character concept.. I sometimes do that too with their spell lists, but nevermind that. Heck, I've even customized the domains for each deity...

But as I said, it looks really good.

- Cyraneth

 

[Dark Dragon]

I'm back again (conference finished...) and have a bit more time for RPG

Some further comments:

As regards the the CR13 Vrock being too powerful... This is a 9th level spell. Summon Monster IX... The same level as Wish, Time Stop, and... Gate. The caster is at least 17th level!!

Well, yes, and I agree. But I think that there's a general problem in balancing spells (I hope that 3.5 will fix it or give hints to balance spells)...The summon monster spells (especially SM IX) and Gate have one important difference: a monster from SM IX is under full control of the caster, it will perform any tasks commanded and won't die in combat, while Gate calls one or more monsters that will accomplish one task (fight, heal, cast a spell) or stay longer if properly paid. Gate also creates a portal for planar travel which is very useful under some circumstances.

Originally posted by green slime
Also, 8 Formian Workers can cast Cure Serious Wounds, IIRC... Thus I'm wary of seeing them in a 1st level wizard spell...A 5th+ level wizard could then summon 1d4+1 of the little things and...Well, some may like it. I prefer healing to be more difficult for Wizards.

Hmm, if the wizard wants to cast three level 3 spells (3.5 monsters per casting...) to get a CSW, ok, why not? A cleric would still do better with one spell of the same level or three first level spells (CLW).

Fine versatile summoning list, green slime. CR seems to be ok overall, but I'd move the Lammasu from level 9 to 7 or 8 perhaps.

Hmm, just a thought: Why not making a standard list from which a wizard or cleric can choose a monster, but that list can become longer with each new monster the caster has enountered later?
E.g., a wizard and his buddies (all level 12) fight some girallons (CR 6), creatures they've never seen before. After the fight, the wizard could add this monster to his personal list for SM VI. This would be more PC personal, as Cyraneth pointed out. The list should be CR based as has already been worked out.

Originally posted by green slime
Thirdly, I'm not in the camp that thinks that flying should automatically be relagated to a higher spell, while water creatures are lowered a spell level (well, almost). This philosophy becomes wierd IMO... The power of the spell should remain somewhat constant regardless of the environment you are in, or am I mistaken?

Ok, agreed for the water creatures . As I said, I've made bad experiences as a DM as well as a player with flying spell casting creatures and their CR (especially wizards who are completely out of CR rules in higher levels, but that's a different matter...)