Summoned Balor

[Enkidu]

If a Balor B summons another balor b and send this last one versus the party...
so if a summoned balor is forced to fight a party without the aid of the summoning balor
1)What is the EL ?
2)What is the CR of the summoned balor b ?
3)How many xp the party will recive?

thx and sorry for my english

 

[Enkhidu]

All right, one of us is going to have to wear a moustache, or things are going to get confusing around here really quick.

Anyway, in your example, I don't think that I'd be going out on a limb to say that if a single creature of any sort is sent against the PCs and the PCs win, they receive the standard awards - even if that creature is summoned by an indentical creature (as long as both creatures are not fighting the PCs at the same time).

 

[Enkidu]

powerful demons can summon other demons with their Summon Tanar'ri ability. Let's say a Balor while fighting the party summons another Balor to get help. The party defeats both of them. As a DM should I reward them as they defeated 2 Balor or only one (the one that summoned the other)?

 

[Darklone]

Just one. The summoning ability is figured into the CR of the single Balor.

 

[UltimaGabe]

Exactly. Any creature with the ability to summon a monster counts that ability in their CR. A 10th-level Wizard, for example, is only a CR 10, regardless of what monsters he summons. In the same way, if a Balor can summon another Balor, you'd only get experience for the first Balor. The CR system assumes that the first Balor WILL summon the second at some point.

 

[Chronosome]

I'll fourth those replies. It's freaky, but that's what's been ruled. If you think the summoned balor really makes it that much more of a killer encounter, give the PCs a little extra XP. Like half CR for the summoned Balor?

 

[Wynter Wolf]

Exactly. Any creature with the ability to summon a monster counts that ability in their CR. A 10th-level Wizard, for example, is only a CR 10, regardless of what monsters he summons. In the same way, if a Balor can summon another Balor, you'd only get experience for the first Balor. The CR system assumes that the first Balor WILL summon the second at some point.

I think you might have missed the point of his question.

Yes the second Balor would not be worth experience under normal circumstances, but what he is asking is:

If Balor A summons Balor B and orders Balor B to attack the party and then teleports away, Is Balor B worth XP for the encounter? According to the rules Summoned creatures are not worth XP so actually according to the rules Balor B would be worth zero xp.

 

[Coredump]

While I understand, that seems goofy.


Balor gives 1000 XP (I made that up)

So if I fight a balor, and kill it, I get 1000 XP.

IF I fight a balor,and it summons a balor, and I kill them both, I get 1000XP

If I fight a balor, and it summons a balor, the first one runs away, and I kill the second one. I get 1000 XP

IF I fight a balor, and it summons a balor, and the first one runs away, and I kill the second one. I get 1000 XP. If later the first one comes back, and I kill it, do I get 0XP?

If I fight a balor, and it summons a balor, and it sumons a balor, and it summons a balor. And I kill them all, I get 1000 XP.

If I fight 4 balors, I get a TON of XP.

If I enter a room, and there are 2 balors there, but (unknown to me) one was just summoned by the other, do I get XP based on fighting one, or two of them?

I fight a balor, it teleports away, summons a balor, it summons, it summons, it summons. All 5 teleport back (only 30 seconds later). Do I still only get 1000XP?


Now, a 10th level wizard (as mentioned) is CR 10. But the best he can summon is a CR 5, and that is using his most powerful spell. A CR 5 doesn't do much to make the encounter worse. But a CR 20 summoning another CR20, now *that* makes for a harder encounter.

 

[Darklone]

Why shouldn't you get XPs if the Balor gets away?

 

[Wynter Wolf]

Why shouldn't you get XPs if the Balor gets away?

What if Balor A summons Balor B outside of combat?? Then hes not getting away.