True, but for a Wiz 6 staying 5 or a Sor 7 staying 6 it makes a lot less difference. Which is why I said 'timing'!jasin said:So instead of spending all of Sor6 casting just haste in your 3rd-level slots, you spend (almost) all of Sor6 being a Sor5 and not having any 3rd-level slots at all? I'm not sure that really helps.