Tasha's Hideous Laughter --- Broken?

[Hammerhead]

Also...a fighter has a +3 Will save base. Wisdom? Cloak of Resistance?

 

[Grog]

Yeah, Tasha's is a much better spell than Hold Person after the 3.5 nerf, and it's lower level, too. Kind of screwy. I'm tempted to flip the levels around in my game.

 

[VirgilCaine]

cloak of resistance,

IMO, Cloaks of Resistance should really be called IC Cloaks of Magic Resistance because that is what you're wearing them to avoid. And everyone should have one unless you're using something else really nifty--Major Cloak of Displacement, say.

 

[Ridley's Cohort]

I also should add that the Bard player played masterfully as he was under a previous Tongues spell and was able to cast it in the language of the opponent which negated the +4 language barrier save.

In any event Im starting to agree. The Bard doesnt get enough credit or respect as a class in general. Just seems kind of powerful.

A Bard who spends so much resources deserves to be rewarded with occasional good luck.

But really, is this spell worse than Hold Person? It is much less potent in effect, only more broadly useful against more monsters.

Your Bard friend will have Hold Monster in not much longer, so Tasha's will soon be relegated to "what I do with a cheap spell slot to harass the enemy".

 

[Grog]

But really, is this spell worse than Hold Person? It is much less potent in effect, only more broadly useful against more monsters.

Your Bard friend will have Hold Monster in not much longer, so Tasha's will soon be relegated to "what I do with a cheap spell slot to harass the enemy".

Actually, since they changed the Hold spells to allow a save every round (and two saves in the first round!) in 3.5, I'd say that Tasha's is a substantially better spell.

 

[Hammerhead]

Sure, until your buddy spends his action delivering a coup de grace on the paralyzed sucker, making sure it doesn't ever get a second save. Then you can move onto other threats.

 

[wildstarsreach]

Sure, until your buddy spends his action delivering a coup de grace on the paralyzed sucker, making sure it doesn't ever get a second save. Then you can move onto other threats.

Subject is not helpless therefore cannot be coup de gra'd. This is for Tasha's.

 

[Hammerhead]

Helpless

A helpless character is paralyzed, held, bound, sleeping, unconscious, or otherwise completely at an opponent’s mercy. A helpless target is treated as having a Dexterity of 0 (-5 modifier). Melee attacks against a helpless target get a +4 bonus (equivalent to attacking a prone target). Ranged attacks gets no special bonus against helpless targets. Rogues can sneak attack helpless targets.

And the Hold line of spells paralyzes someone.

 

[Mistwell]

Hammer has it right. If you cast Hold Person on someone, and they fail their saves, another character can coup de grâce them while they are under the effects of the spell. You can't do that with Tasha's.

 

[blargney the second]

-4 to AC from being prone + Power Attack = ghetto coup de grace.