Tempted to Run Blue Rose backwards

[Rikandur Azebol]

Really ? Could I ask for link to this new Moongoose game ?
I'm curious about the setting ... and no I'm not satanist, I'm in no league with losers.

 

[Razuur]

http://www.mongoosepublishing.com/rpg/series.php?qsSeries=36

for Infernum.


Razuur

 

[Crothian]

The purpose of the Golden Hart is one thing and the capacity to impose it is another thing altogether. There is no need for the word "slave" to appear in the text for the functional implication of that status to be clear. And while "slave" may be a strong term for its own rhetorical purpose, not voluntarily submitting your actions to the moral code of the Golden Hart defines you as one of the setting bad guys.

Ya, it has clear cut definitions of good and evil, something people on boards have been argueing about since D&D never gives anything like that for years.

 

[Desdichado]

Guys ! Guys ! And Ladies.

Someone there is misinterpreting all things. In all romantic fantasy/fiction etc. movies and books that I had read/watched there wasn't something like.

We are good, if You disagree You are evil.

I could easily say that someone is you who is misinterpreting all things.

In all the romanctic fantasy I've read there is a very pronounced "preachiness" and the main characters aren't sympathetic at all, they're pathetic.

Then again, I'm not a fan of the genre.

 

[Crothian]

I could easily say that someone is you who is misinterpreting all things.

In all the romanctic fantasy I've read there is a very pronounced "preachiness" and the main characters aren't sympathetic at all, they're pathetic.

Then again, I'm not a fan of the genre.

Right, but this isn't a novel, it is a game. People don't have to make their characters "pathetic" it is the people that contriol the game not the author unlike a novel.

 

[Whizbang Dustyboots]

I CAN'T imagine enjoying a world where everyone opposed to my political positions really is evil.

Not watching a lot of C-SPAN?

 

[Nisarg]

I wonder why the The Red Star Campaign Setting didn't produce such a fervor.

Because there isn't a vast genre of novels based on "communist scifi"; and its very clear that Red Star is not meant to be taken seriously.
I haven't read Red Star myself; I know the setting is a communist future, but I don't know if its a kind of USSR-style communism or a utopian marxist paradise... but in either case there aren't legions of fans out there who would seriously believe that either system is really good.

Finally, as far as I know the Red Star system doesn't make a point of absolutistly condemning any other real world values system as OBJECTIVELY WRONG AND EVIL, the way romantic fantasy and "blue rose" does.

Nisarg

 

[Whizbang Dustyboots]

I'm quite willing to accept Narnia/Aslan as part of a children's fairytale.

I'm quite unwilling to accept Narnia/Aslan as a legitimate model of government.

So, throwing fireballs out of your hand, talking animals and giant reptiles living in the arctic don't strain credulity, because it's fantasy, but a government whose first principles (essentially) were set forth by a non-human being with advanced magical powers who -- if you agree with it, seems to be highly benevolent -- totally throws you for a loop?

This seems like a selective objection. RPGs in general, but fantasy RPGs in particular, start with a ridiculous premise and go from there. If your objection is something like "fantasy has to be grounded in realistic behavior of people," I suggest taking another look at nearly any RPG supplement -- NPCs in RPG act in accordance with the dictates of fiction, not reality.

 

[Whizbang Dustyboots]

Because there isn't a vast genre of novels based on "communist scifi"; and its very clear that Red Star is not meant to be taken seriously.

Er, no it's not. I love me some "Red Star," but it's hard to think of a comic book series and setting that takes itself MORE seriously.

I haven't read Red Star myself

Finally, as far as I know the Red Star system doesn't make a point of absolutistly condemning any other real world values system as OBJECTIVELY WRONG AND EVIL, the way romantic fantasy and "blue rose" does.

It would probably behoove you to read the series before saying something like this. There is absolutely good and evil in the Red Star universe, and as it's divided along mostly political lines, it certainly makes sweeping statements about Afghanistan, Chechnya, the Soviet Union and post-Soviet Russia.

 

[Nisarg]

So, throwing fireballs out of your hand, talking animals and giant reptiles living in the arctic don't strain credulity, because it's fantasy, but a government whose first principles (essentially) were set forth by a non-human being with advanced magical powers who -- if you agree with it, seems to be highly benevolent -- totally throws you for a loop?

It has nothing to do with who sets the principles down, its the principles themselves: theocracy, be it of a monotheistic patriarchal father-god or of a nanny caretaker feminist earth mother goddess, or of a golden deer, or a lion, has never been a ticket to utopia, its been a ticket to social repression.

That's the problem with all utopias, they're impossible to create without essentially FORCING people to go along.
And that's why any fantasy story that presents a utopia without presenting it in the context of massive social repression is generally unbelievable to me.

This seems like a selective objection. RPGs in general, but fantasy RPGs in particular, start with a ridiculous premise and go from there. If your objection is something like "fantasy has to be grounded in realistic behavior of people," I suggest taking another look at nearly any RPG supplement -- NPCs in RPG act in accordance with the dictates of fiction, not reality.

Good fiction doesn't, IMO have to have realistic events, but it does have to have realistic characters.
If the humans in a novel all act like robots, or zombies, or parrots, or are completely unidimensional, then that is what we in the hallowed halls of academia call "a bad novel".

Nisarg