Tenacious Magic Question

[Cheiromancer]

How do you get rid of a tenacious bestow curse?

I'm looking at the version in the ELH. I don't know if it has been reprinted elsewhere. Here's the relevant text:

Choose one of your spells or spell-like abilities. That magic cannot be dispelled, only suppressed.
Prerequisites:...
Benefit: Choose one spell you know or spell-like ability you possess, such as improved invisibility or stone skin. Whenever the chosen form of magic would otherwise end due to a dispel effect, the magic is instead only suppressed for 1d4 rounds. The magic still ends when its duration expires, but the suppressed rounds do not count against its duration. You can dismiss your own spell or spell-like ability (if dismissible) or dispel your own tenacious magic normally.
Special: You can gain this feat multiple times...

It seems to distinguish against several ways in which a spell might end prematurely; if you dismiss it or dispel it yourself (which is allowed) or if it is ended by a "dispel effect". I'm wondering if things like break enchantment are a "dispel effect". In which case casting a tenacious bestow curse could really only be removed by the original caster. At least as far as I can tell. Or by a spell that allows one to "take over" a spell as if you cast it yourself (is there such a thing?)

Am I reading it right? That any magic that would prematurely end another person's tenacious spell only suppresses it?

 

[KarinsDad]

Break Enchantment is not Dispel Magic.

Hence, it would completely end a Tenacious Bestow Curse. However, since Dispel Magic does not dispel Tenacious spells, Break Enchantment would only get rid of Tenacious spells that are 5th level or lower (since Dispel Magic only suppresses spells of level 6 and higher for 1D4 rounds and does not actually dispel them, Break Enchantment would not affect Tenacious spells of those levels).

Remove Curse would also end a Tenacious Bestow Curse.

PS. Which book is Tenacious in?

 

[Cheiromancer]

It's from the Epic Level Handbook.

Break Enchantment is not Dispel Magic.

You're reading "dispel effect" as meaning dispel magic, then? I suppose that would include greater dispel magic, since greater dispel magic references dispel magic in describing its effect. So does mage's disjunction.

My thought was that Tenacious Spell over-rode this particular line (from dispel magic):

You can use dispel magic to end ongoing spells that have been cast on a creature or object​

And thus a "dispel effect" would be anything whose wording was synonymous with

You can use [this spell or effect] to end ongoing spells that have been cast on a creature or object​

Which is a plausible interpretation, I think. I wondered if Tenacious magic changed all effects that "end ongoing spells" to merely suppressing the modified spell instead. And synonymous wording; dispel, reverse, cancel, etc.

I suppose if they had meant that, they would have said "prematurely end" rather than "otherwise end due to a dispel effect" .

Thanks for your help.

 

[Artoomis]

Acually, Tenancious Bestow Curse is no better than Bestow Curse. Bestow Curse cannot be dispelled anyway.

All the normal remedies (break enchantment, limited wish, miracle, remove curse, or wish ) will work.

 

[Cheiromancer]

Will greater dispel magic work?

 

[AuraSeer]

Will greater dispel magic work?

Nope. It works exactly like dispel magic except for the higher maximum on the dispel check. That means it suffers all the same limitations and downsides that regular dispel does.

Technically, even disjunction only suppresses the effect, because it ends spells "as a dispel magic spell does". IMC I would have disjunction work as if targeting a magic item (allowing the Tenacious caster a Will save), but I believe that would be a house rule.

 

[Artoomis]

Nope. It works exactly like dispel magic except for the higher maximum on the dispel check. That means it suffers all the same limitations and downsides that regular dispel does.

Technically, even disjunction only suppresses the effect, because it ends spells "as a dispel magic spell does". IMC I would have disjunction work as if targeting a magic item (allowing the Tenacious caster a Will save), but I believe that would be a house rule.

Ciorrect. Despite the fact that "...additionally, greater dispel magic has a chance to dispel any effect that remove curse can remove, even if dispel magic can’t dispel that effect."

That's because it is dispeling the curse, not removing it. Special rule just for Greater Dispel Magic.