Pathfinder 1E Tengu natural attacks

[Lemminkäinen]

This is a pretty basic question, but I'm kinda stumped here. So, I'm making a Tengu Vivisectionist/Beastmorph with the Claw Attack alternate racial trait. I have BAB +0 and STR 17 - what is my combat routine?

The claws are said to be primary attacks and I suppose that the normal bite that the Tengu has is also a primary attack, so am I making all three attacks at +3 to hit and doing d3+3 damage per hit? Or do I need to halve my STR mod for some of them or take two-weapon fighting feats or apply modifiers to to hit or something else?

Any insight into this is much appreciated!

Edit: Also, what happens if they get enlarged? Do they get the d4 bite and d4 claws (one step up from the d3 they have when size M) or do they get the values from the natural weapon table (d8 and d6)?

 

[Starfox]

Natural attacks used alongside attacks with weapons are always secondary attacks.

So if you attack with beak ONLY, it is a primary weapon.

If you attack with beak and weapons, you get one "free" beak attack at -5 attack and 1/2 Strength bonus to damage.

IMC, we had someone who wanted to use a kitsue bite alongside monk unarmed strikes... I judged those to be weapons, too.

 

[Lemminkäinen]

No weapons, just the natural attacks claw-claw-bite.

 

[Empirate]

You have three primary natural attacks (which is rare, but happens): a bite and two claws. As primary attacks, they all use your full base attack bonus, and your full Str bonus for calculating damage. So you have the following attack routine: +3 bite (1d3+3), +3 claw (1d3+3), +3 claw (1d3+3).

If enlarged, you only step up weapon damage one die category and don't refer to any tables (the table you mentioned lists standard base damage values for differently-sized natural weapons; but Tengu use nonstandard base damage values). So your attack routine would be: +3 bite (1d4+4), +3 claw (1d4+4), +3 claw (1d4+4). Note that your attack bonus doesn't change, because the Str bonus from Enlarge is cancelled out by the size penalty you get for being large size.

 

[Lemminkäinen]

Thank you! That clears it perfectly.

A couple of more question regarding the Beastmorph. He gets Alter Self as an effect of his Mutagen. One possibility of Alter Self is a size bonus of +2 to Strength or a size bonus of +2 to Dexterity. How does Enlarge Person affect these?

At sixth level, I get two choices from the Beast Shape I to add as bonuses for the Mutagen use. Among these are "Small animal: If the form you take is that of a Small animal, you gain a +2 size bonus to your Dexterity and a +1 natural armor bonus." and "Medium animal: If the form you take is that of a Medium animal, you gain a +2 size bonus to your Strength and a +2 natural armor bonus."

Since I'm not actually changing shape (if I understood correctly, I just gain beastly traits), can I choose either (or even both?)? And how do they work with the Alter Self and Enlarge Person? Do they stack or cancel one another?

 

[Starfox]

Size bonuses won't stack. But one size bonus to Str and another to Dex can work simultaneously.

The way I read the 6th level Beastmorph ability is that you get one of "climb 30 feet, fly 30 feet (average maneuverability), swim 30 feet, darkvision 60 feet, low-light vision, and scent", not one of the size-based bonuses.

 

[Lemminkäinen]

Size bonuses won't stack. But one size bonus to Str and another to Dex can work simultaneously.

The way I read the 6th level Beastmorph ability is that you get one of "climb 30 feet, fly 30 feet (average maneuverability), swim 30 feet, darkvision 60 feet, low-light vision, and scent", not one of the size-based bonuses.

Would that limit the Alter Self ability (from third level) as well?

 

[Starfox]

Would that limit the Alter Self ability (from third level) as well?

Yes, both are size bonuses, come to think on in.